Comments on: The Future of the Progressive Churches of Christ: Part 9, A New Restorationism http://oneinjesus.info/2008/03/on-the-problems-with-the-progressive-churches-of-christ-a-new-restorationism/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=on-the-problems-with-the-progressive-churches-of-christ-a-new-restorationism Thu, 24 May 2012 15:05:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Jay Guin http://oneinjesus.info/2008/03/on-the-problems-with-the-progressive-churches-of-christ-a-new-restorationism/#comment-2044 Jay Guin Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:18:56 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/2008/01/21/on-the-problems-with-the-progressive-churches-of-christ-a-new-restorationism/#comment-2044 Kyle, It's good to hear from you! The missional thought is via Mark Love at a seminar I went to a while back. The solution to relying on "being right" is to be married and have teenagers! It sure humbled me! On elder training, it's being an elder, you know. Seems pretty obvious. Kyle,

It's good to hear from you!

The missional thought is via Mark Love at a seminar I went to a while back.

The solution to relying on "being right" is to be married and have teenagers! It sure humbled me!

On elder training, it's being an elder, you know. Seems pretty obvious.

]]> By: kyle meador http://oneinjesus.info/2008/03/on-the-problems-with-the-progressive-churches-of-christ-a-new-restorationism/#comment-2043 kyle meador Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:07:09 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/2008/01/21/on-the-problems-with-the-progressive-churches-of-christ-a-new-restorationism/#comment-2043 Wow, Jay - Wow! I love how you're able to make subtle distinctions and keep certain things in tension together throughout this. The distinction with soteriology and praxis is an essential one - but one that its going to be hard for folks to acknowledge if church leaders continue to form identity out of 'being right' (which plenty of folks do, not just the c of c. And you spot-on about the importance of elders (well-trained, deeply loving elders) and about the Churches of Christ being well positioned for missionality. Randy Harris made that case brilliantly some years ago in a lecture at Pepperdine. Great work. Thanks for everything you put in here. Wow, Jay – Wow! I love how you're able to make subtle distinctions and keep certain things in tension together throughout this. The distinction with soteriology and praxis is an essential one – but one that its going to be hard for folks to acknowledge if church leaders continue to form identity out of 'being right' (which plenty of folks do, not just the c of c.

And you spot-on about the importance of elders (well-trained, deeply loving elders) and about the Churches of Christ being well positioned for missionality. Randy Harris made that case brilliantly some years ago in a lecture at Pepperdine.

Great work. Thanks for everything you put in here.

]]> By: Bobby Valentine http://oneinjesus.info/2008/03/on-the-problems-with-the-progressive-churches-of-christ-a-new-restorationism/#comment-2042 Bobby Valentine Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:42:14 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/2008/01/21/on-the-problems-with-the-progressive-churches-of-christ-a-new-restorationism/#comment-2042 Excellent piece. Seeking Shalom, Bobby Valentine Excellent piece.

Seeking Shalom,
Bobby Valentine

]]> By: David P Himes http://oneinjesus.info/2008/03/on-the-problems-with-the-progressive-churches-of-christ-a-new-restorationism/#comment-2041 David P Himes Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:04:04 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/2008/01/21/on-the-problems-with-the-progressive-churches-of-christ-a-new-restorationism/#comment-2041 One of the more fundamental issues, that creates the problem you address, is our pre-occupation with organization. Too many people accept the premise that the organization is somehow central to salvation. I believe the gathering of believers -- what we call church (another lousy word) -- is the result of salvation -- not it's predecessor. I have no illusions that this will change, but I can still fantasize!!! One of the more fundamental issues, that creates the problem you address, is our pre-occupation with organization. Too many people accept the premise that the organization is somehow central to salvation.

I believe the gathering of believers — what we call church (another lousy word) — is the result of salvation — not it's predecessor.

I have no illusions that this will change, but I can still fantasize!!!

]]> By: Alan http://oneinjesus.info/2008/03/on-the-problems-with-the-progressive-churches-of-christ-a-new-restorationism/#comment-2040 Alan Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:58:32 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/2008/01/21/on-the-problems-with-the-progressive-churches-of-christ-a-new-restorationism/#comment-2040 <blockquote>Campbell’s idea was that we’d recognize all with faith and baptism as saved but develop a praxis (Christian practice in the realm of expedience) based on First Century practice.</blockquote> That is a very important distinction, one which few people are making. When we insist that we are not bound by some example in scripture, there is at least a suggestion that we are only trying to meet minimum requirements -- in other words, that we will will only comply with that which can be proven to be mandatory. Following scriptural examples might better be described as following "best practices." We might not all agree on every item that qualifies as a "best practice", and we might not implement them all even if we agree with them. But in general we should want to gravitate toward "best practices." Maybe that approach, over time, would tend to bring us together rather than divide us.

Campbell’s idea was that we’d recognize all with faith and baptism as saved but develop a praxis (Christian practice in the realm of expedience) based on First Century practice.

That is a very important distinction, one which few people are making. When we insist that we are not bound by some example in scripture, there is at least a suggestion that we are only trying to meet minimum requirements — in other words, that we will will only comply with that which can be proven to be mandatory.

Following scriptural examples might better be described as following "best practices." We might not all agree on every item that qualifies as a "best practice", and we might not implement them all even if we agree with them. But in general we should want to gravitate toward "best practices." Maybe that approach, over time, would tend to bring us together rather than divide us.

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