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	<title>Comments on: The Future of the Progressive Churches of Christ: Part 7, On Being Held Back by Forgotten Fights</title>
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		<title>By: Lee Hodges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Hodges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Para-church organizations are beginning to have an important role to play. As Developement Officer for Arewa Aid, an outreach of Dr. Brad Blake and his wife Jennifer to the Muslims of northern Nigeria, we are expanding our solicitation for funds beyond the local Church to include Christian Business Men and Foundations. Certian segments of the unreached cannot be confronted &quot;head on&quot; with the message of Christ, but first need an expression of love and concern for their preceivied needs to cause them to be open to our message. This approach is hard to understand by many who think that people are won by confrontation and not with deeds of love. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Para-church organizations are beginning to have an important role to play. As Developement Officer for Arewa Aid, an outreach of Dr. Brad Blake and his wife Jennifer to the Muslims of northern Nigeria, we are expanding our solicitation for funds beyond the local Church to include Christian Business Men and Foundations. Certian segments of the unreached cannot be confronted &quot;head on&quot; with the message of Christ, but first need an expression of love and concern for their preceivied needs to cause them to be open to our message. This approach is hard to understand by many who think that people are won by confrontation and not with deeds of love. </p>
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		<title>By: Jay Guin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Guin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, 
 
Re cooperative missions -- I just think the current CoC model fails at several levels. I can&#039;t imagine that we&#039;re doing it the best way possible. 
 
Some large, talented churches can be missionary societies unto themselves, but the vast majority of churches are too small and lack the expertise. 
 
Moreover, whatever model is chosen requires some level of coordination, or you&#039;ll allocate your resources poorly and fail to share lessons learned in the field that others can benefit from. 
 
Indigenous efforts are optimal anywhere, as has long been recognized. But many areas will only be converted from outside -- Muslim nations, formerly communist bloc nations, etc. do not have a strong enough local presence to operate without help from foreigners, at least for a while. 
 
The need for missionaries still greatly exceeds the volunteers. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, </p>
<p>Re cooperative missions &#8212; I just think the current CoC model fails at several levels. I can&#039;t imagine that we&#039;re doing it the best way possible. </p>
<p>Some large, talented churches can be missionary societies unto themselves, but the vast majority of churches are too small and lack the expertise. </p>
<p>Moreover, whatever model is chosen requires some level of coordination, or you&#039;ll allocate your resources poorly and fail to share lessons learned in the field that others can benefit from. </p>
<p>Indigenous efforts are optimal anywhere, as has long been recognized. But many areas will only be converted from outside &#8212; Muslim nations, formerly communist bloc nations, etc. do not have a strong enough local presence to operate without help from foreigners, at least for a while. </p>
<p>The need for missionaries still greatly exceeds the volunteers.</p>
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		<title>By: David Guin</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2008/03/the-future-of-the-progressive-churches-of-christ-part-7-on-being-held-back-by-forgotten-fights/#comment-2003</link>
		<dc:creator>David Guin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The number of full-time foreign missionaries is not in decline only among the Churches of Christ. It is true of Baptists and other denominations as well, as all are emphasizing more indigenous training coupled with short-term missions for the purpose of kick-starting the local efforts and then maintaining community. 
 
Two interesting ironies here: 
 
a - The CofC is so late to the cooperative missions effort that as you&#039;re promoting this approach, the churches that historically have employed it are looking to other models. 
 
b. - The indigenous training efforts often are so successful that they are sending missionaries HERE. E.g., the Anglican church in Africa now has planted two mission churches in suburban Birmingham (Mountain Brook and Homewood). Baptists have been building a missionary training facility in Venezuela - yes, even under the thumb of Hugo Chavez - that is sending missionaries to Islamic countries that would never accept Americans. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The number of full-time foreign missionaries is not in decline only among the Churches of Christ. It is true of Baptists and other denominations as well, as all are emphasizing more indigenous training coupled with short-term missions for the purpose of kick-starting the local efforts and then maintaining community. </p>
<p>Two interesting ironies here: </p>
<p>a &#8211; The CofC is so late to the cooperative missions effort that as you&#039;re promoting this approach, the churches that historically have employed it are looking to other models. </p>
<p>b. &#8211; The indigenous training efforts often are so successful that they are sending missionaries HERE. E.g., the Anglican church in Africa now has planted two mission churches in suburban Birmingham (Mountain Brook and Homewood). Baptists have been building a missionary training facility in Venezuela &#8211; yes, even under the thumb of Hugo Chavez &#8211; that is sending missionaries to Islamic countries that would never accept Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Christian Standard accepts freelance submissions: 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://christianstandard.com/writersguidelines.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://christianstandard.com/writersguidelines.as...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
I&#039;ve written through their contacts page to see if there is someone we could talk to about a guest editorial series. </description>
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  <a href="http://christianstandard.com/writersguidelines.asp" rel="nofollow">http://christianstandard.com/writersguidelines.as&#8230;</a> </p>
<p>I&#039;ve written through their contacts page to see if there is someone we could talk to about a guest editorial series.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Guin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Guin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, my church helped Gailyn get started in his work. I try to follow his work closely. 
 
Marvin Crowson at Harding leads a church plant effort (my oldest son is part of a church plant in Boston he helped initiate). And then there&#039;s the Southwest Church of Christ in Arkansas, which runs the Kairos church planting ministry. 
 
We&#039;re planting -- but I wonder just how effective some of these efforts are. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, my church helped Gailyn get started in his work. I try to follow his work closely. </p>
<p>Marvin Crowson at Harding leads a church plant effort (my oldest son is part of a church plant in Boston he helped initiate). And then there&#039;s the Southwest Church of Christ in Arkansas, which runs the Kairos church planting ministry. </p>
<p>We&#039;re planting &#8212; but I wonder just how effective some of these efforts are.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay- 
 
You have mentioned church planting a couple of times in a couple of posts. It makes me wonder if you are aware of Mission Alive, a Church of Christ-based organization that is just a few years old under the direction of Gailyn Van Rheenen and is aggressively planting churches in cities around this country. If you are not familiar with them you should be because they are doing fabulous work. Now, certainly we need to do more in this area and, as I said, this organization is still in its infancy. It started around 2003/2004 and has only planted a handful of churches. But, I agree, that we need more of this. We need people to be creative and to be visionaries and to get out of our old rut. Thanks for the post. 
 
Kent Benfer </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay- </p>
<p>You have mentioned church planting a couple of times in a couple of posts. It makes me wonder if you are aware of Mission Alive, a Church of Christ-based organization that is just a few years old under the direction of Gailyn Van Rheenen and is aggressively planting churches in cities around this country. If you are not familiar with them you should be because they are doing fabulous work. Now, certainly we need to do more in this area and, as I said, this organization is still in its infancy. It started around 2003/2004 and has only planted a handful of churches. But, I agree, that we need more of this. We need people to be creative and to be visionaries and to get out of our old rut. Thanks for the post. </p>
<p>Kent Benfer</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Guin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Guin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, since I&#039;m a compulsive writer, I&#039;d be really glad to do just that, not that this blog is the COC equivalent of the Christian Standard (but, then, what is?) 
 
You know, the unity meetings were all meant to do this, but they&#039;ve reached little further than those who attended. 
 
And it&#039;s interesting reading Atchley&#039;s and Russell&#039;s &quot;Together Again,&quot;  and their ambitions to join in various societies and such. It&#039;s just not happening. 
 
So who do you know who we talk to? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, since I&#039;m a compulsive writer, I&#039;d be really glad to do just that, not that this blog is the COC equivalent of the Christian Standard (but, then, what is?) </p>
<p>You know, the unity meetings were all meant to do this, but they&#039;ve reached little further than those who attended. </p>
<p>And it&#039;s interesting reading Atchley&#039;s and Russell&#039;s &quot;Together Again,&quot;  and their ambitions to join in various societies and such. It&#039;s just not happening. </p>
<p>So who do you know who we talk to?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jay, 
 
Here&#039;s an idea:  How about writing a series of articles for the Christian Standard?  And maybe inviting someone from there to write as a guest on your blog?   There needs to be an introduction between the two groups.   An editorial exchange might be a helpful catalyst. 
 
I&#039;ve had a few opportunities to attend some independent Christian church activities and to get to know a few of those folks.  Based on my experience, I&#039;d bet you could find some receptive folks on the other side of the aisle. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jay, </p>
<p>Here&#039;s an idea:  How about writing a series of articles for the Christian Standard?  And maybe inviting someone from there to write as a guest on your blog?   There needs to be an introduction between the two groups.   An editorial exchange might be a helpful catalyst. </p>
<p>I&#039;ve had a few opportunities to attend some independent Christian church activities and to get to know a few of those folks.  Based on my experience, I&#039;d bet you could find some receptive folks on the other side of the aisle.</p>
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