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		<title>By: margaret</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2008/03/the-regulative-principle-history-part-1/#comment-1632</link>
		<dc:creator>margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich, I just finished reading &quot;The Stone-Campbell Movement&quot;  by Leroy Garrett.  Takes a while to read it.  But well worth the effort,   I am A     history buff and this book gives more detail than any I have read. 
 
Have A Blessed Day,  Margaret </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich, I just finished reading &quot;The Stone-Campbell Movement&quot;  by Leroy Garrett.  Takes a while to read it.  But well worth the effort,   I am A     history buff and this book gives more detail than any I have read. </p>
<p>Have A Blessed Day,  Margaret </p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2008/03/the-regulative-principle-history-part-1/#comment-1631</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randall, 
 
Thanks for the feedback. 
 
My very limited observations of the Restoration Movement sees a very diverse thought process on day 1 with a rather fast convergence of ideas/beliefs during  the first 30 or so years.  Divergence began in the late 1800&#039;s based on what was called &#039;innovations&#039; and socio-economic differences. 
 
It sounds like you have studied the movement much more recently than I (I&#039;ve forgotten a lot of details).  That&#039;s good.  This blog has re-energized my interest. 
 
Thanks again, 
Rich. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randall, </p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback. </p>
<p>My very limited observations of the Restoration Movement sees a very diverse thought process on day 1 with a rather fast convergence of ideas/beliefs during  the first 30 or so years.  Divergence began in the late 1800&#039;s based on what was called &#039;innovations&#039; and socio-economic differences. </p>
<p>It sounds like you have studied the movement much more recently than I (I&#039;ve forgotten a lot of details).  That&#039;s good.  This blog has re-energized my interest. </p>
<p>Thanks again,<br />
Rich. </p>
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		<title>By: Randall</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2008/03/the-regulative-principle-history-part-1/#comment-1630</link>
		<dc:creator>Randall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich, 
I am not saying that Campbell deliberately misled people.  I am suggesting that that at times he may have written things in such as way as to accommodate as large a group as possible in order to maintain unity.  In his younger years - when he was editor of the Christian Baptist - 1823 - 1830 (and even earlier) before the Millennial Harbinger he was at times extremely caustic in some of his writings.  Like most of us I imagine he mellowed some with age and also with the greater responsibility of leading a much larger group of people. 
 
Please make no mistake that in the early years of the Stone Campbell movement a great deal of latitude was allowed in what people believed so long as they affirmed Jesus as Lord.  That Stone and Campbell could untie in spite of differences on very significant theological issues still amazes me. 
Peace, 
Randall </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich,<br />
I am not saying that Campbell deliberately misled people.  I am suggesting that that at times he may have written things in such as way as to accommodate as large a group as possible in order to maintain unity.  In his younger years &#8211; when he was editor of the Christian Baptist &#8211; 1823 &#8211; 1830 (and even earlier) before the Millennial Harbinger he was at times extremely caustic in some of his writings.  Like most of us I imagine he mellowed some with age and also with the greater responsibility of leading a much larger group of people. </p>
<p>Please make no mistake that in the early years of the Stone Campbell movement a great deal of latitude was allowed in what people believed so long as they affirmed Jesus as Lord.  That Stone and Campbell could untie in spite of differences on very significant theological issues still amazes me.<br />
Peace,<br />
Randall </p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2008/03/the-regulative-principle-history-part-1/#comment-1629</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randall, 
 
I&#039;m not a student of Alexander Campbell.  I do find it interesting though that I have seen some say AC was more exclusion based than he sounded in his later years and you bring up that Leroy Garrett says he was more inclusion based than he sounds in 1830ish. 
 
Are you saying  that Alexander Campbell intentionally published what he did not believe? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randall, </p>
<p>I&#039;m not a student of Alexander Campbell.  I do find it interesting though that I have seen some say AC was more exclusion based than he sounded in his later years and you bring up that Leroy Garrett says he was more inclusion based than he sounds in 1830ish. </p>
<p>Are you saying  that Alexander Campbell intentionally published what he did not believe? </p>
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		<title>By: Randall</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2008/03/the-regulative-principle-history-part-1/#comment-1628</link>
		<dc:creator>Randall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich, 
We may simply have to agree to disagree on this one as my reading of the Harbinger seems to be different that yours.  I believe it was Leroy Garrett that pointed out that that Campbell said what he really thought in the Lunenburg letter, but he had a unity movement on his hands that needed to be preserved.  Thus he wavered a little in the follow ups to the original article so that when we read them you can place more emphasis on one thing he said and I could place more emphasis on another thing he said. 
 
BTW, the Lunenburg lady&#039;s letter was probably instigated by the guy that became the founder of the Christadelphians - though he may not have intended to found them.  I think his name was John Thomas.  He was associated with the SC Movement but developed his own beliefs, denying the trinity and insisting that one was not a Christian until immersed - thus the letter.  He was even baptized twice, the second time denying beliefs he held the first time he was baptized.  Oh, what some have done with baptism and it being the moment of salvation, and having to believe everything just right at that moment. 
 
The SC movement was tolerant of him for a long time in spite of his odd beliefs as there was a lot of tolerance of differing beliefs in the SC movement at that time.  Eventually he went his own way. 
Peace, 
Randall </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich,<br />
We may simply have to agree to disagree on this one as my reading of the Harbinger seems to be different that yours.  I believe it was Leroy Garrett that pointed out that that Campbell said what he really thought in the Lunenburg letter, but he had a unity movement on his hands that needed to be preserved.  Thus he wavered a little in the follow ups to the original article so that when we read them you can place more emphasis on one thing he said and I could place more emphasis on another thing he said. </p>
<p>BTW, the Lunenburg lady&#039;s letter was probably instigated by the guy that became the founder of the Christadelphians &#8211; though he may not have intended to found them.  I think his name was John Thomas.  He was associated with the SC Movement but developed his own beliefs, denying the trinity and insisting that one was not a Christian until immersed &#8211; thus the letter.  He was even baptized twice, the second time denying beliefs he held the first time he was baptized.  Oh, what some have done with baptism and it being the moment of salvation, and having to believe everything just right at that moment. </p>
<p>The SC movement was tolerant of him for a long time in spite of his odd beliefs as there was a lot of tolerance of differing beliefs in the SC movement at that time.  Eventually he went his own way.<br />
Peace,<br />
Randall </p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Randall, 
 
Alexander Campbell very strongly tried to correct the misunderstandings surrounding his letter to the woman in Lunenburg.  Some will argue he did not recant, but he was very firm that he had been misunderstood. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randall, </p>
<p>Alexander Campbell very strongly tried to correct the misunderstandings surrounding his letter to the woman in Lunenburg.  Some will argue he did not recant, but he was very firm that he had been misunderstood. </p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Anon., 
 
In principle, I totally agree with you. 
 
Alexander Campbell was probably the most influential person in our history as a church.  Many respect what he had to say. 
 
But you are correct.  The Bible is our only authoritative source. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Anon., </p>
<p>In principle, I totally agree with you. </p>
<p>Alexander Campbell was probably the most influential person in our history as a church.  Many respect what he had to say. </p>
<p>But you are correct.  The Bible is our only authoritative source. </p>
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		<title>By: Randall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 07:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alexander Campbell said many things on most of the subjects he addressed.  Rich and others would find it interesting to read his comments to the woman in Lunenburg, VA.  There he says a paedobaptist would be his brother ahead of one immersed if the former were more &quot;generally conformed&quot; to Christian virtues.  Later in his life opponents of some of the positions A. Campbell took quoted A. Campbell in their arguments against him. 
 
The latitude of belief allowed in the early decades would astound many of the more conservative brothers and sisters today.  B. W. Stone himself was NOT orthodox on the person of Jesus nor in his understanding of the atonement. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexander Campbell said many things on most of the subjects he addressed.  Rich and others would find it interesting to read his comments to the woman in Lunenburg, VA.  There he says a paedobaptist would be his brother ahead of one immersed if the former were more &quot;generally conformed&quot; to Christian virtues.  Later in his life opponents of some of the positions A. Campbell took quoted A. Campbell in their arguments against him. </p>
<p>The latitude of belief allowed in the early decades would astound many of the more conservative brothers and sisters today.  B. W. Stone himself was NOT orthodox on the person of Jesus nor in his understanding of the atonement. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Millennial Harbinger&quot; is nowhere in the Bible. What makes him someone I should listen to instead of the Bible? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Millennial Harbinger&quot; is nowhere in the Bible. What makes him someone I should listen to instead of the Bible? </p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assume an unintentional oversight here. 
 
Alexander Campbell believed baptism for the remission [forgiveness] of sins was required.  He talks about those without it having a false assurance of salvation. 
 
&quot;&quot;But do not many of them enjoy the present salvation of God?&quot; How far they may be happy in the peace of God, and the hope of heaven, I presume not to say. And we know so much of human nature as to say, that he that imagines himself pardoned, will feel happy as he that is really so. But one thing we do know, that none can rationally, and with certainty, enjoy the peace of God, and the hope of heaven, but they who intelligently, and in full faith are born of water, or immersed. For the remission of their sins. And as the testimony of God, and not conceit, imagination, nor our reasoning upon what passes in our minds, is the ground of our certainty, we see and feel, that we have an assurance which they cannot have. And we have this advantage over them, we once stood upon their ground, had their hopes, felt their assurance; but they have not stood upon our ground, nor felt our assurance. Moreover, the experience of the first converts shows the difference between their immersion, and the immersions, or sprinklings, of modern gospels.&quot; 
 
from Millennial Harbinger - Extra July 5, 1830. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume an unintentional oversight here. </p>
<p>Alexander Campbell believed baptism for the remission [forgiveness] of sins was required.  He talks about those without it having a false assurance of salvation. </p>
<p>&quot;&quot;But do not many of them enjoy the present salvation of God?&quot; How far they may be happy in the peace of God, and the hope of heaven, I presume not to say. And we know so much of human nature as to say, that he that imagines himself pardoned, will feel happy as he that is really so. But one thing we do know, that none can rationally, and with certainty, enjoy the peace of God, and the hope of heaven, but they who intelligently, and in full faith are born of water, or immersed. For the remission of their sins. And as the testimony of God, and not conceit, imagination, nor our reasoning upon what passes in our minds, is the ground of our certainty, we see and feel, that we have an assurance which they cannot have. And we have this advantage over them, we once stood upon their ground, had their hopes, felt their assurance; but they have not stood upon our ground, nor felt our assurance. Moreover, the experience of the first converts shows the difference between their immersion, and the immersions, or sprinklings, of modern gospels.&quot; </p>
<p>from Millennial Harbinger &#8211; Extra July 5, 1830. </p>
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