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		<title>By: Re: Does the Bible recognize equality between men and women? &#171; God Omnipotent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Re: Does the Bible recognize equality between men and women? &#171; God Omnipotent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 20:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] [...] Clearly, a complement may be the more important or less important of the two parts of the whole under consideration. God was the complement of the Israelites, in that He won battles for them that they could not have won without Him, and yet the Israelites also had to fight. Just so, a general’s aides may be considered his complement, as those whom he needs to perform his duties. Thus, the word connotes neither superiority nor inferiority. [...] Now ‘ezer does have a deeper significance. God’s declaring Eve as complement means that God gave Eve a special role in relationship to the man. She is to complete, finish, and make God’s creation of man good. - Jay Guin [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] [...] Clearly, a complement may be the more important or less important of the two parts of the whole under consideration. God was the complement of the Israelites, in that He won battles for them that they could not have won without Him, and yet the Israelites also had to fight. Just so, a general’s aides may be considered his complement, as those whom he needs to perform his duties. Thus, the word connotes neither superiority nor inferiority. [...] Now ‘ezer does have a deeper significance. God’s declaring Eve as complement means that God gave Eve a special role in relationship to the man. She is to complete, finish, and make God’s creation of man good. - Jay Guin [...]</p>
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		<title>By: methodus</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2008/04/buried-talents-genesis-part-2-the-meaning-of-helper/#comment-22882</link>
		<dc:creator>methodus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for the above. It comes as a great service seeing as I was just about to respond to a Muslim claim that the bible teaches that the woman is ontologically inferior to man. This is literally a godsend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for the above. It comes as a great service seeing as I was just about to respond to a Muslim claim that the bible teaches that the woman is ontologically inferior to man. This is literally a godsend.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Guin</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2008/04/buried-talents-genesis-part-2-the-meaning-of-helper/#comment-1993</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Guin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 21:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beat,

It&#039;s an honor to have you as a reader. I&#039;ve covered this material both as an ebook and a series of blog posts. The ebook, &quot;Buried Talents&quot; is posted at http://oneinjesus.info/books-by-jay-guin/buried-talents/. The series, which is very nearly the same material, is indexed at http://oneinjesus.info/index-under-construction/theology-church-of-christ-issues/buried-talents-studies-in-the-role-of-women/. The series has the advantage of being a little more recent and each post has extensive comments where the readers ask questions and I and others respond.

May God bless you in his work among our sisters in Uganda.

Readers,

Mrs. Bisangwa is the founder of Rhema Ministries in Uganda, a non-denominational, Christian ministry supporting women in that nation. http://rhemaministriesltd.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=81%3Afew-words-from-the-founder&amp;Itemid=1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beat,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an honor to have you as a reader. I&#8217;ve covered this material both as an ebook and a series of blog posts. The ebook, &#8220;Buried Talents&#8221; is posted at <a href="http://oneinjesus.info/books-by-jay-guin/buried-talents/" rel="nofollow">http://oneinjesus.info/books-by-jay-guin/buried-talents/</a>. The series, which is very nearly the same material, is indexed at <a href="http://oneinjesus.info/index-under-construction/theology-church-of-christ-issues/buried-talents-studies-in-the-role-of-women/" rel="nofollow">http://oneinjesus.info/index-under-construction/theology-church-of-christ-issues/buried-talents-studies-in-the-role-of-women/</a>. The series has the advantage of being a little more recent and each post has extensive comments where the readers ask questions and I and others respond.</p>
<p>May God bless you in his work among our sisters in Uganda.</p>
<p>Readers,</p>
<p>Mrs. Bisangwa is the founder of Rhema Ministries in Uganda, a non-denominational, Christian ministry supporting women in that nation. <a href="http://rhemaministriesltd.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=81%3Afew-words-from-the-founder&amp;Itemid=1" rel="nofollow">http://rhemaministriesltd.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=81%3Afew-words-from-the-founder&amp;Itemid=1</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Beat Bisangwa</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2008/04/buried-talents-genesis-part-2-the-meaning-of-helper/#comment-1992</link>
		<dc:creator>Beat Bisangwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 20:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this!!! I will include this in my write up!

God has given me the task of expounding on the biblical concept of women&#039;s rights in a very difficult cultural mindset. As such, I am looking for all possible answers and literature on the whole gender equality issue! I have refused to be boxed in believing concepts simple because some pastor interpreted the bible wrongs! So I appreciate these discussions!

God bless you,

 Beat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this!!! I will include this in my write up!</p>
<p>God has given me the task of expounding on the biblical concept of women&#8217;s rights in a very difficult cultural mindset. As such, I am looking for all possible answers and literature on the whole gender equality issue! I have refused to be boxed in believing concepts simple because some pastor interpreted the bible wrongs! So I appreciate these discussions!</p>
<p>God bless you,</p>
<p> Beat</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Guin</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2008/04/buried-talents-genesis-part-2-the-meaning-of-helper/#comment-1991</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Guin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elspeth,

I&#039;m glad this was helpful for you. The entire series is available at http://oneinjesus.info/index-under-construction/buried-talents-studies-in-the-role-of-women/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elspeth,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad this was helpful for you. The entire series is available at <a href="http://oneinjesus.info/index-under-construction/buried-talents-studies-in-the-role-of-women/" rel="nofollow">http://oneinjesus.info/index-under-construction/buried-talents-studies-in-the-role-of-women/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Elspeth Titus</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2008/04/buried-talents-genesis-part-2-the-meaning-of-helper/#comment-1990</link>
		<dc:creator>Elspeth Titus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is LIBERATING!! Thank you.

South Africa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is LIBERATING!! Thank you.</p>
<p>South Africa</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2008/04/buried-talents-genesis-part-2-the-meaning-of-helper/#comment-1989</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like we&#039;re on the same page on this.  So I guess the main thing you are objecting to is what you&#039;ve described as paternalism -- the view that women are somehow inferior.  That&#039;s a narrower objection than I had thought.  And I also strongly object to that notion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like we&#8217;re on the same page on this.  So I guess the main thing you are objecting to is what you&#8217;ve described as paternalism &#8212; the view that women are somehow inferior.  That&#8217;s a narrower objection than I had thought.  And I also strongly object to that notion.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Guin</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2008/04/buried-talents-genesis-part-2-the-meaning-of-helper/#comment-1988</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Guin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan,

I agree. Wives must be true to their purpose given them in God&#039;s creation. This is the essence, I think, of Paul&#039;s point regarding the order of creation: wives may not do things that violate their purpose as suitable complements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan,</p>
<p>I agree. Wives must be true to their purpose given them in God&#8217;s creation. This is the essence, I think, of Paul&#8217;s point regarding the order of creation: wives may not do things that violate their purpose as suitable complements.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2008/04/buried-talents-genesis-part-2-the-meaning-of-helper/#comment-1987</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Clearly, a complement may be the more important or less important of the two parts of the whole under consideration. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And therefore we cannot conclude from Genesis 2:18  whether or not woman is supposed to submit to man.  The question is not answered either way.

But Genesis 2 does clearly teach that woman was made *for* man.  God made Adam.  Then God observed that it was not good for Adam to be alone.  None of the animals could satisfactorily meet Adam&#039;s need.  For that reason, God made Eve.   So Eve was made *for* Adam, as Paul states in 1 Cor 11:9.

Paul also refers to the order  of creation in 2 Tim 2:11-14.   In verses 11-12 he says that woman is not to have authority over man, but rather she is to be in submission.  The first reason he gives for that is that Adam was created before Eve.  Perhaps implicit in that is what was said in 1 Cor 11:9 , and what is clear from the creation story-- that Eve was created *for* Adam, to meet a need of Adam&#039;s.   Adam existed first, had a need, and that need was met when God created Eve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Clearly, a complement may be the more important or less important of the two parts of the whole under consideration. </p></blockquote>
<p>And therefore we cannot conclude from Genesis 2:18  whether or not woman is supposed to submit to man.  The question is not answered either way.</p>
<p>But Genesis 2 does clearly teach that woman was made *for* man.  God made Adam.  Then God observed that it was not good for Adam to be alone.  None of the animals could satisfactorily meet Adam&#8217;s need.  For that reason, God made Eve.   So Eve was made *for* Adam, as Paul states in 1 Cor 11:9.</p>
<p>Paul also refers to the order  of creation in 2 Tim 2:11-14.   In verses 11-12 he says that woman is not to have authority over man, but rather she is to be in submission.  The first reason he gives for that is that Adam was created before Eve.  Perhaps implicit in that is what was said in 1 Cor 11:9 , and what is clear from the creation story&#8211; that Eve was created *for* Adam, to meet a need of Adam&#8217;s.   Adam existed first, had a need, and that need was met when God created Eve.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Gill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since &#039;ezer so often means a power GREATER than the one to whom it is connected (like God being the &#039;ezer to Israel), the modifier &quot;kenegdo&quot; makes even more sense as &quot;comparable&quot; or &quot;equal to&quot;.

The problem for us, as I&#039;ve mentioned before, is that kenegdo is a Biblical singleton. &#039;ezer kenegdo is the only time this word appears in the Hebrew Bible. So we must look to other literature to find its meaning. Alan has previously noted my preference for the rabbinic understanding of kenegdo as &quot;equal&quot;. If anyone finds any other meanings in either Hebrew literature or the cognate Ancient Near Eastern languages, I would love to know about them. I want to get to the bottom of this issue as much as possible.

Because if the creation narrative does not bestow authority upon the male, then when Paul refers to creation, he is not doing so to assert authority, and we must investigate more thoroughly to learn what he IS asserting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since &#8216;ezer so often means a power GREATER than the one to whom it is connected (like God being the &#8216;ezer to Israel), the modifier &#8220;kenegdo&#8221; makes even more sense as &#8220;comparable&#8221; or &#8220;equal to&#8221;.</p>
<p>The problem for us, as I&#8217;ve mentioned before, is that kenegdo is a Biblical singleton. &#8216;ezer kenegdo is the only time this word appears in the Hebrew Bible. So we must look to other literature to find its meaning. Alan has previously noted my preference for the rabbinic understanding of kenegdo as &#8220;equal&#8221;. If anyone finds any other meanings in either Hebrew literature or the cognate Ancient Near Eastern languages, I would love to know about them. I want to get to the bottom of this issue as much as possible.</p>
<p>Because if the creation narrative does not bestow authority upon the male, then when Paul refers to creation, he is not doing so to assert authority, and we must investigate more thoroughly to learn what he IS asserting.</p>
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