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	<title>Comments on: What Does Gal 2:11 Really Say? Part 1</title>
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		<title>By: Jay Guin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Guin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 13:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guy, 
 
I respond to some of  your questions in the next post.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://oneinjesus.info/2008/06/06/what-does-gal-211-really-say-part-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://oneinjesus.info/2008/06/06/what-does-gal-2...&lt;/a&gt;. 
 
James 5:19-20 is an interesting passage. The &quot;truth&quot; is the gospel, as is typically the case in the NT. Hence, James is speaking of those who leave the gospel. Of course, there are various ways to leave (I count 3). If you leave by being impenitent to the point of falling away, I think you&#039;ll never repent so as to return, as I explain in the next post. 
 
But if you leave the gospel by getting caught up in legalism, Gal 2:11 seems to say, what my experience confirms, that you can repent and return. 
 
Now, what I don&#039;t know is whether those who truly lose their faith can return, but in the absence of a scripture to the contrary, my thinking is that, yes, you can. 
 
As always, it&#039;s never, ever a question of whether God will take you back. It&#039;s a question of whether, having drifted so far from God that you fall away, you will ever repent. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy, </p>
<p>I respond to some of  your questions in the next post.  <a href="http://oneinjesus.info/2008/06/06/what-does-gal-211-really-say-part-2/" rel="nofollow">http://oneinjesus.info/2008/06/06/what-does-gal-2&#8230;</a>. </p>
<p><a href='http://biblefox.com/bible/james+5%3A19-20' class='bible-tip bible-tip-james_5%3A19-20'>James 5:19-20</a> is an interesting passage. The &quot;truth&quot; is the gospel, as is typically the case in the NT. Hence, James is speaking of those who leave the gospel. Of course, there are various ways to leave (I count 3). If you leave by being impenitent to the point of falling away, I think you&#039;ll never repent so as to return, as I explain in the next post. </p>
<p>But if you leave the gospel by getting caught up in legalism, <a href='http://biblefox.com/bible/galatians+2%3A11' class='bible-tip bible-tip-galatians_2%3A11'>Gal 2:11</a> seems to say, what my experience confirms, that you can repent and return. </p>
<p>Now, what I don&#039;t know is whether those who truly lose their faith can return, but in the absence of a scripture to the contrary, my thinking is that, yes, you can. </p>
<p>As always, it&#039;s never, ever a question of whether God will take you back. It&#039;s a question of whether, having drifted so far from God that you fall away, you will ever repent.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2008/06/what-does-gal-211-really-say/#comment-2914</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 07:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats an interesting point Alan,iand please correct me if im wrong Jay but your paper on Grace teaches exactly what Alan has commented on and  that a child of God only really falls from Grace(Falls away)ie condemned state in a eternal sense (and truly the most imporant sense) when they arebeyond repentance. 
I know you used the various diagrams in  your paper/study/lesson on Grace and the Hebrews passages 
regarding this  state of in  an out of salvation that disciples have been confused about? 
 
Based on this are you thinking that Peter was in the place between sin and repentance, and that zone /area /condition was in fact a place of being condemned?Was he then during that period in a &quot;fallen away &quot;state.If fallling away means not being brought to repentance , surely he has not fallen away? Because at some point he repented.Therefore if being &quot;a fall  away&quot; is a state of eternal condemantion beyond repentance, how are we to understand this language in Galatians. 
Perhaps a better term in relation to Peter being comdemned would be he &quot;wandered from the truth&quot; James 5:19-20? 
Just some ideas , again as per Alan&#039;s comments i dont want to read into more to much. 
But again which death would the sinner be saved from in this passage ? 
Thanks </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats an interesting point Alan,iand please correct me if im wrong Jay but your paper on Grace teaches exactly what Alan has commented on and  that a child of God only really falls from Grace(Falls away)ie condemned state in a eternal sense (and truly the most imporant sense) when they arebeyond repentance.<br />
I know you used the various diagrams in  your paper/study/lesson on Grace and the Hebrews passages<br />
regarding this  state of in  an out of salvation that disciples have been confused about? </p>
<p>Based on this are you thinking that Peter was in the place between sin and repentance, and that zone /area /condition was in fact a place of being condemned?Was he then during that period in a &quot;fallen away &quot;state.If fallling away means not being brought to repentance , surely he has not fallen away? Because at some point he repented.Therefore if being &quot;a fall  away&quot; is a state of eternal condemantion beyond repentance, how are we to understand this language in Galatians.<br />
Perhaps a better term in relation to Peter being comdemned would be he &quot;wandered from the truth&quot; <a href='http://biblefox.com/bible/james+5%3A19-20' class='bible-tip bible-tip-james_5%3A19-20'>James 5:19-20</a>?<br />
Just some ideas , again as per Alan&#039;s comments i dont want to read into more to much.<br />
But again which death would the sinner be saved from in this passage ?<br />
Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another verse came to mind on this...and may well relate to your questions &quot;was Peter condemned for a period of time&quot;? 
Matthew 12:37  &quot;For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned.&quot; 
-Mike </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another verse came to mind on this&#8230;and may well relate to your questions &quot;was Peter condemned for a period of time&quot;?<br />
<a href='http://biblefox.com/bible/matthew+12%3A37' class='bible-tip bible-tip-matthew_12%3A37'>Matthew 12:37</a>  &quot;For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned.&quot;<br />
-Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 07:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Galatians as well as in 1 John 3:20 the word seems to connote being worthy of blame or being accused.  In Galatians, Paul seems to be saying that he had been justified in confronting Peter to his face.  I don&#039;t think we should read more into it than that. 
 
We don&#039;t move from being saved to being condemned every time we sin, remaining condemned until we repent.  That&#039;s not how grace works.  We are continually cleansed from sin (1 John 1:9ff).  Peter needed to be confronted, because sin is deceitful, and hardens our hearts, which can cause us to eventually fall away (Heb 3:12-13) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Galatians as well as in <a href='http://biblefox.com/bible/1+john+3%3A20' class='bible-tip bible-tip-1_john_3%3A20'>1 John 3:20</a> the word seems to connote being worthy of blame or being accused.  In Galatians, Paul seems to be saying that he had been justified in confronting Peter to his face.  I don&#039;t think we should read more into it than that. </p>
<p>We don&#039;t move from being saved to being condemned every time we sin, remaining condemned until we repent.  That&#039;s not how grace works.  We are continually cleansed from sin (<a href='http://biblefox.com/bible/1+john+1%3A9' class='bible-tip bible-tip-1_john_1%3A9'>1 John 1:9</a>ff).  Peter needed to be confronted, because sin is deceitful, and hardens our hearts, which can cause us to eventually fall away (<a href='http://biblefox.com/bible/hebrews+3%3A12-13' class='bible-tip bible-tip-hebrews_3%3A12-13'>Heb 3:12-13</a>)</p>
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