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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2008/10/should-we-be-emerging-postmodern/#comment-3862</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue of post-moderns with truth and the metanarrative is not that there is no Truth but that the metanarratives passed along with or as Truth in the past have failed.  Communism/Socialism did not produce a workers paradise.  Fascism did not secure the prosperity of the nation state.  Christianity (as commonly practiced and taught) did not help people live better lives.  Capitalism did not produce permanent wealth for the masses.  The promises behind these truths proved fruitless. 
 
This is why practice indeed makes Truth perfect.  If our right beliefs do not lead to right actions they are meaningless.  But powerfully transformed living proves the rightness of our beliefs.  And this must be lived out in the public eye, not in a building on Sunday morning. 
 
The young postmoderns I meet have not rejected the idea of Truth they are actually starving for it, they just haven&#039;t seen it yet in those who claim to have it. 
 
But if we begin to produce the true fruit of the Spirit they will see it and respond. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue of post-moderns with truth and the metanarrative is not that there is no Truth but that the metanarratives passed along with or as Truth in the past have failed.  Communism/Socialism did not produce a workers paradise.  Fascism did not secure the prosperity of the nation state.  Christianity (as commonly practiced and taught) did not help people live better lives.  Capitalism did not produce permanent wealth for the masses.  The promises behind these truths proved fruitless. </p>
<p>This is why practice indeed makes Truth perfect.  If our right beliefs do not lead to right actions they are meaningless.  But powerfully transformed living proves the rightness of our beliefs.  And this must be lived out in the public eye, not in a building on Sunday morning. </p>
<p>The young postmoderns I meet have not rejected the idea of Truth they are actually starving for it, they just haven&#039;t seen it yet in those who claim to have it. </p>
<p>But if we begin to produce the true fruit of the Spirit they will see it and respond. </p>
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		<title>By: Keith Brenton</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2008/10/should-we-be-emerging-postmodern/#comment-3861</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Brenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experience has been that you can usually find the truth somewhere between the extremes. 
 
(Especially between the extremes of &quot;You can know all the truth perfectly! [I do!]&quot; and  &quot;You can&#039;t ever know any truth for certain! [Just because I think doesn&#039;t prove I am!]&quot;) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience has been that you can usually find the truth somewhere between the extremes. </p>
<p>(Especially between the extremes of &quot;You can know all the truth perfectly! [I do!]&quot; and  &quot;You can&#039;t ever know any truth for certain! [Just because I think doesn&#039;t prove I am!]&quot;) </p>
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		<title>By: David P Himes</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2008/10/should-we-be-emerging-postmodern/#comment-3860</link>
		<dc:creator>David P Himes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About 30 years ago, I preached a sermon in which I said, &quot;There is more to know about God that what is in the Bible.&quot; 
 
As you might expect, several folks reacted pretty negatively to that, but the few who came to speak to me about it did acknowledge that there must be more to God than what has been revealed in the Text. 
 
Too often, folks in the CofC forget that they don&#039;t know everything about God -- and that is the threat of Postmodernism.  But, as you observe, it&#039;s only a threat to those know they know the answer to everything. 
 
I rely on God&#039;s grace for what I don&#039;t understand. 
 
But Dobb&#039;s declarations that we are still under Law, even in the face of Jesus&#039; statements to the contrary, is just an example of the traditional CofC view that seems irrational (and personally, very scary) -- and in fact, misses the true joy of knowing Jesus&#039; love and God&#039;s grace. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 30 years ago, I preached a sermon in which I said, &quot;There is more to know about God that what is in the Bible.&quot; </p>
<p>As you might expect, several folks reacted pretty negatively to that, but the few who came to speak to me about it did acknowledge that there must be more to God than what has been revealed in the Text. </p>
<p>Too often, folks in the CofC forget that they don&#039;t know everything about God &#8212; and that is the threat of Postmodernism.  But, as you observe, it&#039;s only a threat to those know they know the answer to everything. </p>
<p>I rely on God&#039;s grace for what I don&#039;t understand. </p>
<p>But Dobb&#039;s declarations that we are still under Law, even in the face of Jesus&#039; statements to the contrary, is just an example of the traditional CofC view that seems irrational (and personally, very scary) &#8212; and in fact, misses the true joy of knowing Jesus&#039; love and God&#039;s grace. </p>
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		<title>By: mattdabbs</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2008/10/should-we-be-emerging-postmodern/#comment-3859</link>
		<dc:creator>mattdabbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More and more the world around us is turning into a mission field. It is important we try to understand where they are coming from so we can reach them. Thanks for this post. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More and more the world around us is turning into a mission field. It is important we try to understand where they are coming from so we can reach them. Thanks for this post. </p>
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		<title>By: Jay Guin</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2008/10/should-we-be-emerging-postmodern/#comment-3858</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Guin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry, 
 
That&#039;s a very interesting article. Very insightful in many ways. But I&#039;m really thinking along different lines. The distinctions are kind of hard to express. 
 
The last thing I&#039;d want to have the Churches of Christ take up is theological liberalism. No, we need to stay as close to the scriptures as we can. 
 
On the other hand, I find the opposite just as dangerous -- the presumption that we have all the answers. Been there. Didn&#039;t like it. 
 
The middle road is humility before God and his word. It&#039;s recognizing that we&#039;ve been mistaken in the past on some things and might be wrong even now -- and so being willing to hear what others have to say, to genuinely listen and learn. 
 
On the other hand, this humility doesn&#039;t mean we doubt our faith in Jesus. Or our confidence in scripture. Or our salvation. 
 
Rather, this is the kind of humility that allows us to study the role of women or divorce and remarriage expecting to learn something, rather than to prove the other guy wrong. 
 
It&#039;s the kind of humility that allows us to be moved and challenged by The Shack, even though we aren&#039;t in agreement on all the doctrine the book teaches. 
 
Am I making sense? Yes, the scriptures are true. Yes, truth is attainable. Yes, we can teach hard, firm, certain moral truths. 
 
But, no, we don&#039;t know all the answers. We know enough to go to heaven and to serve God in his mission, but we expect to grow in our knowledge of God and to change our opinions as we do. Therefore, we are delighted to exchange ideas and sometimes be proven wrong by other believers. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry, </p>
<p>That&#039;s a very interesting article. Very insightful in many ways. But I&#039;m really thinking along different lines. The distinctions are kind of hard to express. </p>
<p>The last thing I&#039;d want to have the Churches of Christ take up is theological liberalism. No, we need to stay as close to the scriptures as we can. </p>
<p>On the other hand, I find the opposite just as dangerous &#8212; the presumption that we have all the answers. Been there. Didn&#039;t like it. </p>
<p>The middle road is humility before God and his word. It&#039;s recognizing that we&#039;ve been mistaken in the past on some things and might be wrong even now &#8212; and so being willing to hear what others have to say, to genuinely listen and learn. </p>
<p>On the other hand, this humility doesn&#039;t mean we doubt our faith in Jesus. Or our confidence in scripture. Or our salvation. </p>
<p>Rather, this is the kind of humility that allows us to study the role of women or divorce and remarriage expecting to learn something, rather than to prove the other guy wrong. </p>
<p>It&#039;s the kind of humility that allows us to be moved and challenged by The Shack, even though we aren&#039;t in agreement on all the doctrine the book teaches. </p>
<p>Am I making sense? Yes, the scriptures are true. Yes, truth is attainable. Yes, we can teach hard, firm, certain moral truths. </p>
<p>But, no, we don&#039;t know all the answers. We know enough to go to heaven and to serve God in his mission, but we expect to grow in our knowledge of God and to change our opinions as we do. Therefore, we are delighted to exchange ideas and sometimes be proven wrong by other believers. </p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2008/10/should-we-be-emerging-postmodern/#comment-3857</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may be because I associate mostly with the poor and working class, but I do not see the broad appeal of moral relativism and uncertainty about the existance of truth among the people with whom I work and worship.  The story-telling approach to reaching people is appealing, but the underlying philosophy of postmodern thought does not seem to be as popular. Please read the first 5 paragraphs or so of a column in my local newspaper from July at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/article.aspx?subjectID=65&amp;articleID=20080713_222_G3_pncase93712&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/article.aspx?subjectID...&lt;/a&gt;.  It is an article about why the GOP is losing the working class, but the first several paragraphs accurately describe the appeal of theologically conservative churches to the working class and poor.  I understand that few if any of your readers will agree with my conclusions, but I don&#039;t believe the postmodern philosophy can find much appeal among people who are seeking answers to the biggest questions in life, because the postmodern philosophy seems to value questions over answers.  Struggling people are attracted to churches that have compassion and solid, biblical answers to their deepest questions. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be because I associate mostly with the poor and working class, but I do not see the broad appeal of moral relativism and uncertainty about the existance of truth among the people with whom I work and worship.  The story-telling approach to reaching people is appealing, but the underlying philosophy of postmodern thought does not seem to be as popular. Please read the first 5 paragraphs or so of a column in my local newspaper from July at <a href="http://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/article.aspx?subjectID=65&amp;articleID=20080713_222_G3_pncase93712" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/article.aspx?subjectID.." rel="nofollow">http://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/article.aspx?subjectID..</a>..  It is an article about why the GOP is losing the working class, but the first several paragraphs accurately describe the appeal of theologically conservative churches to the working class and poor.  I understand that few if any of your readers will agree with my conclusions, but I don&#039;t believe the postmodern philosophy can find much appeal among people who are seeking answers to the biggest questions in life, because the postmodern philosophy seems to value questions over answers.  Struggling people are attracted to churches that have compassion and solid, biblical answers to their deepest questions. </p>
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