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		<title>By: Jay Guin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Guin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, 
 
I&#039;m still writing, so this may not be complete. 
 
David Lipscomb&#039;s &quot;Civil Government&quot; is much more thoughtful and insightful than I expected, and an easy read. I disagree with the man but have to respect his thinking in this book. 
John Howard Yoder&#039;s &quot;The Politics of Jesus.&quot; This is a must read whether or not you&#039;re interested in pacifism. 
Lee C. Camp, &quot;Mere Discipleship&quot; 
Stanley Hauerwas and Will Willemon, &quot;Resident Aliens.&quot; Brilliant book -- should be required reading even though I disagree with the conclusions re pacifism. 
Stanley Hauerwas, &quot;Brazos Theological Commentary on Matthew.&quot; 
D. A. Carson, &quot;Expositor&#039;s Commentary on Matthew&quot; (excellent commentary -- you can pick it up and just read it front to back) 
Scot McKnight, &quot;The Blue Parakeet&quot; (says nothing about pacifism but teaches us how to read the Bible) 
John Howard Yoder, &quot;Body Politics&quot; 
Richard Hughes, &quot;Reclaiming a Heritage&quot; 
Douglas Foster, ed., &quot;American Origins of Churches of Christ&quot; 
The New International and Tyndale commentaries on Matthew and Luke and maybe some other books. I walk back and forth to the commentary shelves a lot. 
 
That&#039;s probably not complete, but it&#039;s what I can remember at 9 pm. 
 
Now, you should notice that I&#039;m big fan of several books that I disagree with on pacifism. Yoder, Hauerwas, and Camp are good reads regardless of your position. I think I&#039;ve read &quot;Resident Aliens&quot; three or four times. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, </p>
<p>I&#039;m still writing, so this may not be complete. </p>
<p>David Lipscomb&#039;s &quot;Civil Government&quot; is much more thoughtful and insightful than I expected, and an easy read. I disagree with the man but have to respect his thinking in this book.<br />
John Howard Yoder&#039;s &quot;The Politics of Jesus.&quot; This is a must read whether or not you&#039;re interested in pacifism.<br />
Lee C. Camp, &quot;Mere Discipleship&quot;<br />
Stanley Hauerwas and Will Willemon, &quot;Resident Aliens.&quot; Brilliant book &#8212; should be required reading even though I disagree with the conclusions re pacifism.<br />
Stanley Hauerwas, &quot;Brazos Theological Commentary on Matthew.&quot;<br />
D. A. Carson, &quot;Expositor&#039;s Commentary on Matthew&quot; (excellent commentary &#8212; you can pick it up and just read it front to back)<br />
Scot McKnight, &quot;The Blue Parakeet&quot; (says nothing about pacifism but teaches us how to read the Bible)<br />
John Howard Yoder, &quot;Body Politics&quot;<br />
Richard Hughes, &quot;Reclaiming a Heritage&quot;<br />
Douglas Foster, ed., &quot;American Origins of Churches of Christ&quot;<br />
The New International and Tyndale commentaries on Matthew and Luke and maybe some other books. I walk back and forth to the commentary shelves a lot. </p>
<p>That&#039;s probably not complete, but it&#039;s what I can remember at 9 pm. </p>
<p>Now, you should notice that I&#039;m big fan of several books that I disagree with on pacifism. Yoder, Hauerwas, and Camp are good reads regardless of your position. I think I&#039;ve read &quot;Resident Aliens&quot; three or four times.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Bergman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Bergman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, 
 
Just now starting to work through this series.  Before listing your observations, you said: 
&quot;But it seems to be the time. I&#8217;ve got the books. I just need to see whether I agree with them.&quot; 
 
Wondering if you could post a bibliography of your sources for this series. 
 
Thanks, 
Brian B. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, </p>
<p>Just now starting to work through this series.  Before listing your observations, you said:<br />
&quot;But it seems to be the time. I&rsquo;ve got the books. I just need to see whether I agree with them.&quot; </p>
<p>Wondering if you could post a bibliography of your sources for this series. </p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Brian B.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Guin on Pacifism &#124; TimothyArcher.com/Kitchen</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2009/10/pacifism-introduction/#comment-9096</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Guin on Pacifism &#124; TimothyArcher.com/Kitchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Introduction The Early Church David Lipscomb and Civil Government John Howard Yoder, Part 1 Part 2 A Culture of Life, Part 1 Part 2 A Thought Experiment Fitting Government into the Story A Reply to Guy Pacifism:  Police and Defensive War, Part 1 Pacifism: In Answer to Tim’s and Guy’s Questions Pacifism: Police and Defensive War, Part 2 [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Introduction The Early Church David Lipscomb and Civil Government John Howard Yoder, Part 1 Part 2 A Culture of Life, Part 1 Part 2 A Thought Experiment Fitting Government into the Story A Reply to Guy Pacifism:  Police and Defensive War, Part 1 Pacifism: In Answer to Tim’s and Guy’s Questions Pacifism: Police and Defensive War, Part 2 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2009/10/pacifism-introduction/#comment-9095</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He may have used the metaphor he did not to endorse warfare, but for the exact purpose of contrasting the nature of our endeavor (*spiritual* warfare) with that of the world (carnal warfare).  It&#039;s at least a possibility in Eph 6 since he&#039;s made that very contrast elsewhere (2Cor 10:3-5). 
 
--Guy </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He may have used the metaphor he did not to endorse warfare, but for the exact purpose of contrasting the nature of our endeavor (*spiritual* warfare) with that of the world (carnal warfare).  It&#039;s at least a possibility in <a href='http://biblefox.com/bible/ephesians+6' class='bible-tip bible-tip-ephesians_6'>Eph 6</a> since he&#039;s made that very contrast elsewhere (<a href='http://biblefox.com/bible/2+corinthians+10%3A3-5' class='bible-tip bible-tip-2_corinthians_10%3A3-5'>2Cor 10:3-5</a>). </p>
<p>&#8211;Guy</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Cummings</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2009/10/pacifism-introduction/#comment-9094</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Cummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad, 
PAul wrote in the midst of the Roman Empire, and often as a prisoner of the Romans. I do think &quot;figures of speech&quot; are just that. Something used to  relay a deeper meaning. When Paul said &quot;Take the sword of the SPirit&quot;, he was not advocating Christians taking the sword. rather our weapon is spiritual and more powerful than a human sword-The Word of God. Look at the example in Eph. 6, and Paul goes from a physical example to something non-violent: faith, righteousness, salvation, and peace. 
Spiritual warfare is a real thing, and that does not involve carnal weapons (Paul in fact says the weapons of our warfare are not carnal). Faith, prayer, fasting,  and non-violence , and the gifts of the Spirit are our arsenal. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,<br />
PAul wrote in the midst of the Roman Empire, and often as a prisoner of the Romans. I do think &quot;figures of speech&quot; are just that. Something used to  relay a deeper meaning. When Paul said &quot;Take the sword of the SPirit&quot;, he was not advocating Christians taking the sword. rather our weapon is spiritual and more powerful than a human sword-The Word of God. Look at the example in <a href='http://biblefox.com/bible/ephesians+6' class='bible-tip bible-tip-ephesians_6'>Eph. 6</a>, and Paul goes from a physical example to something non-violent: faith, righteousness, salvation, and peace.<br />
Spiritual warfare is a real thing, and that does not involve carnal weapons (Paul in fact says the weapons of our warfare are not carnal). Faith, prayer, fasting,  and non-violence , and the gifts of the Spirit are our arsenal.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Adcock</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2009/10/pacifism-introduction/#comment-9093</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Adcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know, Gary.  &#039;Figures of speech&#039; seems too quickly dismissive to me, whether or not he gives each piece a non-militaristic meaning and whether or not he talks about sandals of peace.  I appreciate the fact that the undertone of his message in Eph 6 can be expressed as tearing away the violent meaning of the words that he&#039;s using and giving them a peaceful, Christian connotation - but that&#039;s not the main point by of his message. 
 
Also, figures of speech doesn&#039;t work in Eph 6, because he&#039;s drawing a clear picture of spiritual warfare (the shield protecting us from the fiery darts of the devil) even if &#039;the only offensive weapon in our arsenal is the Word of God itself&#039; as the old cliche goes.  Through the imagery he uses, Paul clearly WANTS his readers to picture fending off the attacks of the devil (i.e., being in combat) even if the attack is only spiritual. 
 
Am I off-base?  BTW, I appreciate you taking the time to respond to me.  I&#039;m thankful for the insights of someone who&#039;s struggled with this longer than I&#039;ve been alive (only 32).  Have a great day! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t know, Gary.  &#039;Figures of speech&#039; seems too quickly dismissive to me, whether or not he gives each piece a non-militaristic meaning and whether or not he talks about sandals of peace.  I appreciate the fact that the undertone of his message in <a href='http://biblefox.com/bible/ephesians+6' class='bible-tip bible-tip-ephesians_6'>Eph 6</a> can be expressed as tearing away the violent meaning of the words that he&#039;s using and giving them a peaceful, Christian connotation &#8211; but that&#039;s not the main point by of his message. </p>
<p>Also, figures of speech doesn&#039;t work in <a href='http://biblefox.com/bible/ephesians+6' class='bible-tip bible-tip-ephesians_6'>Eph 6</a>, because he&#039;s drawing a clear picture of spiritual warfare (the shield protecting us from the fiery darts of the devil) even if &#039;the only offensive weapon in our arsenal is the Word of God itself&#039; as the old cliche goes.  Through the imagery he uses, Paul clearly WANTS his readers to picture fending off the attacks of the devil (i.e., being in combat) even if the attack is only spiritual. </p>
<p>Am I off-base?  BTW, I appreciate you taking the time to respond to me.  I&#039;m thankful for the insights of someone who&#039;s struggled with this longer than I&#039;ve been alive (only 32).  Have a great day!</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Cummings</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2009/10/pacifism-introduction/#comment-9092</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Cummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Figures of speech are just that. Many times, as in Eohesians 6, he talks about the armor of God, and gives each piece a non militaristic meaning. In verse 15 of Eph.6, he specifically says to put on sandals of peace. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Figures of speech are just that. Many times, as in Eohesians 6, he talks about the armor of God, and gives each piece a non militaristic meaning. In verse 15 of <a href='http://biblefox.com/bible/ephesians+6' class='bible-tip bible-tip-ephesians_6'>Eph.6</a>, he specifically says to put on sandals of peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Adcock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Adcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should have just said a quick question for anyone willing to comment.  All opinions are welcome. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should have just said a quick question for anyone willing to comment.  All opinions are welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Adcock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Adcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick question for Jay or Gary: 
 
What&#039;s your take on Paul &#039;peppering his speech&#039; with &#039;militaristic terminolgy&#039; on occasion (i.e., Phil 2:25; 2 Tim 2:1ff; Eph 6:10ff, etc.)?  I realize his use of those terms doesn&#039;t mean he supports what they represent, but it seems odd to me that he would associate those kinds of words with Christians/Christianity if he felt they represented un-Christian behaviors.  What I mean is that if he&#039;s just trying to get across ideals like discipline or perseverence for instance, why not just stick to the athletic analogies he uses elsewhere?  (Maybe this falls under the category of the &#039;unjust steward&#039; parable as someone else has mentioned elsewhere in the comments section, but this feels different to me). 
 
I&#039;m not coming down on either side of this yet.  I&#039;ve obviously heard of pacifism, but I&#039;ve never studied it or honestly given it much thought.  I&#039;d just like to know your opinions so that I can begin to form my own.  Thanks. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick question for Jay or Gary: </p>
<p>What&#039;s your take on Paul &#039;peppering his speech&#039; with &#039;militaristic terminolgy&#039; on occasion (i.e., <a href='http://biblefox.com/bible/philippians+2%3A25' class='bible-tip bible-tip-philippians_2%3A25'>Phil 2:25</a>; <a href='http://biblefox.com/bible/2+timothy+2%3A1' class='bible-tip bible-tip-2_timothy_2%3A1'>2 Tim 2:1</a>ff; <a href='http://biblefox.com/bible/ephesians+6%3A10' class='bible-tip bible-tip-ephesians_6%3A10'>Eph 6:10</a>ff, etc.)?  I realize his use of those terms doesn&#039;t mean he supports what they represent, but it seems odd to me that he would associate those kinds of words with Christians/Christianity if he felt they represented un-Christian behaviors.  What I mean is that if he&#039;s just trying to get across ideals like discipline or perseverence for instance, why not just stick to the athletic analogies he uses elsewhere?  (Maybe this falls under the category of the &#039;unjust steward&#039; parable as someone else has mentioned elsewhere in the comments section, but this feels different to me). </p>
<p>I&#039;m not coming down on either side of this yet.  I&#039;ve obviously heard of pacifism, but I&#039;ve never studied it or honestly given it much thought.  I&#039;d just like to know your opinions so that I can begin to form my own.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Cummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Cummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, 
Somehow 2 partial copies got posted. Please delete those. 
Thanks,Gary </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,<br />
Somehow 2 partial copies got posted. Please delete those.<br />
Thanks,Gary</p>
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