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	<title>Comments on: Replanting a Church: A Comment Regarding Worship for the Readers to Respond to</title>
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		<title>By: Snap Knight</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2009/12/replanting-a-church-a-comment-regarding-worship/#comment-9834</link>
		<dc:creator>Snap Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m thinking that something was amiss here. The Michael W. Smith concert was only the musical representation of worship. There are so many other facets; people respond differently to each of them. 
 
If we focus on only one aspect of worship, and minimize the others, then we do ourselves a huge disservice. 
 
I love a good rousing hand clapping, arms raised singing service. But I also love the other parts of the service and draw deep meaning from them as I praise my Lord and Savior. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m thinking that something was amiss here. The Michael W. Smith concert was only the musical representation of worship. There are so many other facets; people respond differently to each of them. </p>
<p>If we focus on only one aspect of worship, and minimize the others, then we do ourselves a huge disservice. </p>
<p>I love a good rousing hand clapping, arms raised singing service. But I also love the other parts of the service and draw deep meaning from them as I praise my Lord and Savior.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2009/12/replanting-a-church-a-comment-regarding-worship/#comment-9833</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Praise music.  I keep a picture of a Laughing Jesus on my computer desk so I can see it often. Even though God already knows how I love to praise him, it&#039;s my hopeful thought that he laughs along with me when I sing praises to him as in the song in question. Worship doesn&#039;t always have to be so serious, sometimes we need to let our worship boil over and it settles us for the more serious side of worship. 
 
I lead singing at Prison and Jail ministries.  It&#039;s always helpful to have a rousing series of praise music and at the end of it, when the inmates are laughing and happy, they are ready to hear the Good News. If it works in Jail, it ought to work on Sunday morning. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Praise music.  I keep a picture of a Laughing Jesus on my computer desk so I can see it often. Even though God already knows how I love to praise him, it&#039;s my hopeful thought that he laughs along with me when I sing praises to him as in the song in question. Worship doesn&#039;t always have to be so serious, sometimes we need to let our worship boil over and it settles us for the more serious side of worship. </p>
<p>I lead singing at Prison and Jail ministries.  It&#039;s always helpful to have a rousing series of praise music and at the end of it, when the inmates are laughing and happy, they are ready to hear the Good News. If it works in Jail, it ought to work on Sunday morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Brenton</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2009/12/replanting-a-church-a-comment-regarding-worship/#comment-9832</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Brenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does God stand on one foot and expect any one time of worship to be all things to all people and take them from never really having known Christ to belief and baptism and complete spiritual maturity by the time the parking lot is empty? 
 
It is sad when folks never leave the shallow end of the pool to learn how thrilling and beautiful and dangerous the deep can be. It&#039;s sad when those who hope to speak for and about Christ never call others to dive into the mysteries and draw them ever closer to the heart of God. 
 
But we all have to start someplace. 
 
Some ministries specialize in introducing people to God through Christ. Others are better at helping develop and deepen relationships. A few - I&#039;d include Osteen&#039;s - completely misunderstand and therefore misrepresent who God is and the kind of eternal, spiritual wealth He wants for us ... no matter what it costs Him or us. And some ministries just work better for some people at their present stage of life than others. 
 
I think the commenter can accurately say that a Michael W. Smith concert does not help him or her grow closer to God. I think it would be presumptuous to say that must therefore be true for everyone. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does God stand on one foot and expect any one time of worship to be all things to all people and take them from never really having known Christ to belief and baptism and complete spiritual maturity by the time the parking lot is empty? </p>
<p>It is sad when folks never leave the shallow end of the pool to learn how thrilling and beautiful and dangerous the deep can be. It&#039;s sad when those who hope to speak for and about Christ never call others to dive into the mysteries and draw them ever closer to the heart of God. </p>
<p>But we all have to start someplace. </p>
<p>Some ministries specialize in introducing people to God through Christ. Others are better at helping develop and deepen relationships. A few &#8211; I&#039;d include Osteen&#039;s &#8211; completely misunderstand and therefore misrepresent who God is and the kind of eternal, spiritual wealth He wants for us &#8230; no matter what it costs Him or us. And some ministries just work better for some people at their present stage of life than others. </p>
<p>I think the commenter can accurately say that a Michael W. Smith concert does not help him or her grow closer to God. I think it would be presumptuous to say that must therefore be true for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: todd</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2009/12/replanting-a-church-a-comment-regarding-worship/#comment-9831</link>
		<dc:creator>todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the point I was hinting at was we should not condemn a worship practice simply because it does not appeal to us or is not to our exacting standards.  As a preacher I feel the depth or shallowness of the service, is as Jerry suggests, more up to the worshipper, than the style. If I consistently provide good spiritual food, and the songs/music are Biblically sound the lack of spiritual growth on the part of others is not laid at my door. 
 
Also, again, if all we focus on is one hour a week our worship will ALWAYS be shallow, some will just be more fun to be around than others depending on your point of view. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the point I was hinting at was we should not condemn a worship practice simply because it does not appeal to us or is not to our exacting standards.  As a preacher I feel the depth or shallowness of the service, is as Jerry suggests, more up to the worshipper, than the style. If I consistently provide good spiritual food, and the songs/music are Biblically sound the lack of spiritual growth on the part of others is not laid at my door. </p>
<p>Also, again, if all we focus on is one hour a week our worship will ALWAYS be shallow, some will just be more fun to be around than others depending on your point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2009/12/replanting-a-church-a-comment-regarding-worship/#comment-9830</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem I see here is that some are trying to blame a worship style or an evangelism technique for the shallow faith and understanding they witness in themselves or others. The truth is that a person&#039;s faith is only obtained by the working of the Holy Spirit (HS) in their hearts and by that person listening to the HS&#039;s prompting. If the only time you feel moved by the HS is in a worship service you have a fundamental heart problem. The error is not found in the style of worship used on Sunday, but it is found in the practice of ingoring God and the scriptures thoughout the rest of the week. I have seen this problem in the conservative churches of christ that I have been affiliated with over the years as well. Just show up, sing six songs, say 2 prayers, take communion, give a contribution, listen to a sermon, and then punchout till next week. If you are really good you showup Sunday PM and Wendesday PM. 
Everyone needs to get back to the word and what better way to do that then by teaching the lost about Jesus. Do that and you will see and feel the HS daily. Your worship, what ever style you use, will be forever changed when you worship beside someone that was lost but now is found. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem I see here is that some are trying to blame a worship style or an evangelism technique for the shallow faith and understanding they witness in themselves or others. The truth is that a person&#039;s faith is only obtained by the working of the Holy Spirit (HS) in their hearts and by that person listening to the HS&#039;s prompting. If the only time you feel moved by the HS is in a worship service you have a fundamental heart problem. The error is not found in the style of worship used on Sunday, but it is found in the practice of ingoring God and the scriptures thoughout the rest of the week. I have seen this problem in the conservative churches of christ that I have been affiliated with over the years as well. Just show up, sing six songs, say 2 prayers, take communion, give a contribution, listen to a sermon, and then punchout till next week. If you are really good you showup Sunday PM and Wendesday PM.<br />
Everyone needs to get back to the word and what better way to do that then by teaching the lost about Jesus. Do that and you will see and feel the HS daily. Your worship, what ever style you use, will be forever changed when you worship beside someone that was lost but now is found.</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2009/12/replanting-a-church-a-comment-regarding-worship/#comment-9829</link>
		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd, 
What do you mean &quot;IF&quot;??  That&#039;s how it should be for all of us.  If it&#039;s not drawing us closer to God . . . then what is it drawing us to?  And of course, if the music draws us to God, we will want more.  I love great music that expresses my heart.  I know you do too. 
 
At some point, though, the focus should be our Lord . . . not the music.  This is something I deal with at times.  I am a very musical person.  10 years of piano instruction (the three Bs) choral and vocal training . . . and lots of Boston, Queen, ABBA, ELO, Foreigner, hell yea. . . you know the great stuff.  Sometimes I just love the music.  It&#039;s like I&#039;m loving it . . . but the Lord is not what is driving my joy.  My joy comes from the sound and beauty, but not the beauty of the Lord.  I seek a real joy that comes from the Lord.  But I don&#039;t always have it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd,<br />
What do you mean &quot;IF&quot;??  That&#039;s how it should be for all of us.  If it&#039;s not drawing us closer to God . . . then what is it drawing us to?  And of course, if the music draws us to God, we will want more.  I love great music that expresses my heart.  I know you do too. </p>
<p>At some point, though, the focus should be our Lord . . . not the music.  This is something I deal with at times.  I am a very musical person.  10 years of piano instruction (the three Bs) choral and vocal training . . . and lots of Boston, Queen, ABBA, ELO, Foreigner, hell yea. . . you know the great stuff.  Sometimes I just love the music.  It&#039;s like I&#039;m loving it . . . but the Lord is not what is driving my joy.  My joy comes from the sound and beauty, but not the beauty of the Lord.  I seek a real joy that comes from the Lord.  But I don&#039;t always have it.</p>
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		<title>By: todd</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2009/12/replanting-a-church-a-comment-regarding-worship/#comment-9828</link>
		<dc:creator>todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what if I am drawn to the music because it draws me closer to God?  Is it still entertainment when it speaks to my heart, even though it doesn&#039;t speak to others? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what if I am drawn to the music because it draws me closer to God?  Is it still entertainment when it speaks to my heart, even though it doesn&#039;t speak to others?</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2009/12/replanting-a-church-a-comment-regarding-worship/#comment-9827</link>
		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People are not always successful in translating their feelings, thoughts, and concerns effectively.  What they say or write many times misses the mark of what is in their heart.  We all know this, and we see it in the things people write on this blog.  Of course, in our minds we conceive that many are just not as informed as they think they are, and we think we see through their pitiful, shallow ideas. 
 
There is something legitimate behind the thoughts expressed at the beginning of this blog.  The comments remind me of a couple I know who worshiped at the church Max Lucado teaches at.  The couple had been worshipping with the church for years, but after moving to a different city, they aligned themselves with those who spinkle infants . . . as if the word of God and Jesus&#039; example didn&#039;t matter.  Their comment was that they only worhipped where Max Lucado was at because they loved the music.  They were drawn to the music. 
 
And so it was apparent that they were not drawn to the truth and the godly examples given by those who were leading them.  They traded the truth for a lie. 
 
What the individual is weary of is when love for the truth . . . a hunger for righteousness . . . a desire to be more like Jesus . . . a desire to be Jesus to the world . . . takes a backseat and is replaced by a love for something else.  Maybe love of music like the couple I described above.  The individual senses that the worship he is describing is not really worhip of the Lord . . . but is rather...worship of self.   It is a sense thing.  His senses may be wrong . . . but then again his senses may be correct. 
 
We sing these songs at my congragation as well.  I like these songs.  They help me express love to my God.  They build the congragation up.  I understand these songs.  At the same time, I also sense that there are others who just love the music.  I too sense that there are some who are drawn to the music more than they are drawn to my Lord.  When that occurs, they are no longer worhipping the Creator God.  The focus has moved to self. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are not always successful in translating their feelings, thoughts, and concerns effectively.  What they say or write many times misses the mark of what is in their heart.  We all know this, and we see it in the things people write on this blog.  Of course, in our minds we conceive that many are just not as informed as they think they are, and we think we see through their pitiful, shallow ideas. </p>
<p>There is something legitimate behind the thoughts expressed at the beginning of this blog.  The comments remind me of a couple I know who worshiped at the church Max Lucado teaches at.  The couple had been worshipping with the church for years, but after moving to a different city, they aligned themselves with those who spinkle infants . . . as if the word of God and Jesus&#039; example didn&#039;t matter.  Their comment was that they only worhipped where Max Lucado was at because they loved the music.  They were drawn to the music. </p>
<p>And so it was apparent that they were not drawn to the truth and the godly examples given by those who were leading them.  They traded the truth for a lie. </p>
<p>What the individual is weary of is when love for the truth . . . a hunger for righteousness . . . a desire to be more like Jesus . . . a desire to be Jesus to the world . . . takes a backseat and is replaced by a love for something else.  Maybe love of music like the couple I described above.  The individual senses that the worship he is describing is not really worhip of the Lord . . . but is rather&#8230;worship of self.   It is a sense thing.  His senses may be wrong . . . but then again his senses may be correct. </p>
<p>We sing these songs at my congragation as well.  I like these songs.  They help me express love to my God.  They build the congragation up.  I understand these songs.  At the same time, I also sense that there are others who just love the music.  I too sense that there are some who are drawn to the music more than they are drawn to my Lord.  When that occurs, they are no longer worhipping the Creator God.  The focus has moved to self.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Archer</title>
		<link>http://oneinjesus.info/2009/12/replanting-a-church-a-comment-regarding-worship/#comment-9826</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Archer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought I&#039;d mention that John Mark Hicks just brought out an e-book with his articles on The Shack: 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://johnmarkhicks.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/meeting-god-at-the-shack-an-e-book/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://johnmarkhicks.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/mee...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
Grace and peace, 
Tim Archer </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought I&#039;d mention that John Mark Hicks just brought out an e-book with his articles on The Shack:<br />
  <a href="http://johnmarkhicks.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/meeting-god-at-the-shack-an-e-book/" rel="nofollow">http://johnmarkhicks.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/mee&#8230;</a> </p>
<p>Grace and peace,<br />
Tim Archer</p>
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		<title>By: bradstanford</title>
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		<dc:creator>bradstanford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, rather than attractional, the church is supposed to be immersional, described in three types: water, spirit, and community. Like the three legs of a stool, if any are missing, the end product is much less effective. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, rather than attractional, the church is supposed to be immersional, described in three types: water, spirit, and community. Like the three legs of a stool, if any are missing, the end product is much less effective.</p>
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