Comments on: Faith Lessons by Ray Vander Laan: Crossing the Red Sea http://oneinjesus.info/2010/01/faith-lessons-by-ray-vander-laan-crossing-the-red-sea/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=faith-lessons-by-ray-vander-laan-crossing-the-red-sea Fri, 25 May 2012 03:05:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Stan http://oneinjesus.info/2010/01/faith-lessons-by-ray-vander-laan-crossing-the-red-sea/#comment-11048 Stan Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:51:10 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/?p=7949#comment-11048 I'm starting to like you Pilgrim. No, I'm not John Wayne. I'm starting to like you Pilgrim.
No, I'm not John Wayne.

]]> By: pilgrim http://oneinjesus.info/2010/01/faith-lessons-by-ray-vander-laan-crossing-the-red-sea/#comment-11047 pilgrim Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:43:51 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/?p=7949#comment-11047 Why is it so easy to stand up and shout in celebration when my home team scores a touchdown... because I am at home with my family and friends and feel comfortable... I am in my element. Time with God's people SHOULD ALWAYS FEEL THAT WAY... like you are in your element. That was the environment you were made for... but not the environment of modern Christendom... Meetings the same time every week with the same basic service structure is NO different than catholic liturgy except we don't speak in latin and we've added some more interesting songs (and the "free" ones even add a piano)... C'mon guys and gals... let's at least read what the early Christians did. 1 Cor. 14 is the closest thing to a description of what a meeting of saints looked like in the first century and it looks NOTHING like what most do today... READ IT. It says, "Everyone comes with a song or a word of instruction..." Everyone one does? Yes, everyone comes ready to share the song that is on their heart to Jesus. You immediately get the feeling reading that chapter that there is no liturgy, no pre-programmed order... it is fluid, dynamic, alive, letting Jesus be Lord of the time together... the freedom of expression and praise that you all are longing for isn't ultimately about being less formal as much as it is about being more in tune with the Living Jesus everyday and letting our meetings flow OUT of that dynamic. Jesus, Paul, Peter, John and James didn't have worship services that were pre-planned and ordered by the worship deacon. That is all man made and you all are feeling the pain of being constrained by man-made chains. Be free. Invite brothers and sisters you know over to your own house. Not "small groups".... just spirit-led spontaneity... FInd out how you can serve each other and pray for each other. Confess your sins to each other. Deal with interpersonal issues. And praise God together in as much freedom as you feel shouting for your favorite team... That's just what families do... Why is it so easy to stand up and shout in celebration when my home team scores a touchdown… because I am at home with my family and friends and feel comfortable… I am in my element. Time with God's people SHOULD ALWAYS FEEL THAT WAY… like you are in your element. That was the environment you were made for… but not the environment of modern Christendom… Meetings the same time every week with the same basic service structure is NO different than catholic liturgy except we don't speak in latin and we've added some more interesting songs (and the "free" ones even add a piano)… C'mon guys and gals… let's at least read what the early Christians did. 1 Cor. 14 is the closest thing to a description of what a meeting of saints looked like in the first century and it looks NOTHING like what most do today… READ IT. It says, "Everyone comes with a song or a word of instruction…" Everyone one does? Yes, everyone comes ready to share the song that is on their heart to Jesus. You immediately get the feeling reading that chapter that there is no liturgy, no pre-programmed order… it is fluid, dynamic, alive, letting Jesus be Lord of the time together… the freedom of expression and praise that you all are longing for isn't ultimately about being less formal as much as it is about being more in tune with the Living Jesus everyday and letting our meetings flow OUT of that dynamic. Jesus, Paul, Peter, John and James didn't have worship services that were pre-planned and ordered by the worship deacon. That is all man made and you all are feeling the pain of being constrained by man-made chains. Be free. Invite brothers and sisters you know over to your own house. Not "small groups"…. just spirit-led spontaneity… FInd out how you can serve each other and pray for each other. Confess your sins to each other. Deal with interpersonal issues. And praise God together in as much freedom as you feel shouting for your favorite team… That's just what families do…

]]> By: pilgrim http://oneinjesus.info/2010/01/faith-lessons-by-ray-vander-laan-crossing-the-red-sea/#comment-11046 pilgrim Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:22:31 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/?p=7949#comment-11046 When it is a family and not a show or a scheduled performance, the Spirit is much more free to do His thing in our midst. Drop the fear, the ceremony and the ritual... these aren't cure-alls, but it is a place to start. <a href="http://books.jesuslifetogether.com/Meetings-in-His-Kingdom/Jesus-IS-Still-Alive" rel="nofollow">http://books.jesuslifetogether.com/Meetings-in-Hi...</a> When it is a family and not a show or a scheduled performance, the Spirit is much more free to do His thing in our midst. Drop the fear, the ceremony and the ritual… these aren't cure-alls, but it is a place to start.
http://books.jesuslifetogether.com/Meetings-in-Hi…

]]> By: Neal http://oneinjesus.info/2010/01/faith-lessons-by-ray-vander-laan-crossing-the-red-sea/#comment-11045 Neal Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:07:04 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/?p=7949#comment-11045 We are called to follow Jesus, carry His Name. He did not start a religion or form a cult. Let's stop renewing our distrust and instead renew our minds with His strength. Let grace have it's way. Follow Jesus way and tell others who will do the same. Thank you Jay and RVL for teaching the whole Truth. God is so big. We are called to follow Jesus, carry His Name. He did not start a religion or form a cult. Let's stop renewing our distrust and instead renew our minds with His strength. Let grace have it's way. Follow Jesus way and tell others who will do the same. Thank you Jay and RVL for teaching the whole Truth. God is so big.

]]> By: Bob Harry http://oneinjesus.info/2010/01/faith-lessons-by-ray-vander-laan-crossing-the-red-sea/#comment-11044 Bob Harry Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:13:26 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/?p=7949#comment-11044 Jay Forgive me but I have been tempted to spike the punchbowl at our adult gatherings just to see how we would act if we loosened up a bit. Why not? We take medication that helps us? a little wine might help our attitude. Did Jesus drink wine with the rabble of his day? Yes I do hold my hands up in worship and my wife does to. Yes we on occasions drink a little wine but not as much as the common Jew did at the feast of the tabernacles. Bob Jay

Forgive me but I have been tempted to spike the punchbowl at our adult gatherings just to see how we would act if we loosened up a bit.

Why not? We take medication that helps us? a little wine might help our attitude.

Did Jesus drink wine with the rabble of his day?

Yes I do hold my hands up in worship and my wife does to. Yes we on occasions drink a little wine but not as much as the common Jew did at the feast of the tabernacles.

Bob

]]> By: Stan http://oneinjesus.info/2010/01/faith-lessons-by-ray-vander-laan-crossing-the-red-sea/#comment-11043 Stan Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:14:26 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/?p=7949#comment-11043 JMF I play too many mind games with myself. There are times in worship that I feel like I want to raise my hands up. But someone will think I've lost it...so I don't. And then I get to thinking.....what if I raise my hands now...but don't have that feeling next week. If I don't raise my hands then....people will wonder why my hands aren't raised. They will think that there must be a problem! And what if I don't have that feeling all the time....will I feel like I need to raise my hands just for other people's benefit. People are always analyzing and analyzing what others do in worship. Everybody is analyzing. But you know.....as I type this.......it sounds so very anal. I never realized how similar the words are.....analyzing and anal....until I started typing. I don't want to be like this. I want to be free and genuine and sincere. FREE!....................GENUINE!...............SINCERE! My wife may even think I've lost it. She has never raised her hands. Then if I raise my hands......will that make my wife feel like she needs to raise hers too? Will she feel uncomfortable standing/sitting next to me......wondering what I'm gonna do next in worship. What if I tell her about my desire and she tells me that she would prefer that I not raise my hands in worship.......what do I do then??????? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH! JMF my son.......we are going to have to set you free. JMF
I play too many mind games with myself. There are times in worship that I feel like I want to raise my hands up. But someone will think I've lost it…so I don't. And then I get to thinking…..what if I raise my hands now…but don't have that feeling next week. If I don't raise my hands then….people will wonder why my hands aren't raised. They will think that there must be a problem! And what if I don't have that feeling all the time….will I feel like I need to raise my hands just for other people's benefit. People are always analyzing and analyzing what others do in worship. Everybody is analyzing. But you know…..as I type this…….it sounds so very anal. I never realized how similar the words are…..analyzing and anal….until I started typing. I don't want to be like this. I want to be free and genuine and sincere.

FREE!………………..GENUINE!……………SINCERE!

My wife may even think I've lost it. She has never raised her hands. Then if I raise my hands……will that make my wife feel like she needs to raise hers too? Will she feel uncomfortable standing/sitting next to me……wondering what I'm gonna do next in worship. What if I tell her about my desire and she tells me that she would prefer that I not raise my hands in worship…….what do I do then??????? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!

JMF my son…….we are going to have to set you free.

]]> By: Stan http://oneinjesus.info/2010/01/faith-lessons-by-ray-vander-laan-crossing-the-red-sea/#comment-11042 Stan Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:12:58 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/?p=7949#comment-11042 I play too many mind games with myself. There are times in worship that I feel like I want to raise my hands up. But someone will think I've lost it...so I don't. And then I get to thinking.....what if I raise my hands now...but don't have that feeling next week. If I don't raise my hands then....people will wonder why my hands aren't raised. They will think that there must be a problem! And what if I don't have that feeling all the time....will I feel like I need to raise my hands just for other people's benefit. People are always analyzing and analyzing what others do in worship. Everybody is analyzing. But you know.....as I type this.......it sounds so very anal. I never realized how similar the words are.....analyzing and anal....until I started typing. I don't want to be like this. I want to be free and genuine and sincere. FREE!....................GENUINE!...............SINCERE! My wife may even think I've lost it. She has never raised her hands. Then if I raise my hands......will that make my wife feel like she needs to raise hers too? Will she feel uncomfortable standing/sitting next to me......wondering what I'm gonna do next in worship. What if I tell her about my desire and she tells me that she would prefer that I not raise my hands in worship.......what do I do then??????? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH! JMF my son.......we are going to have to set you free. I play too many mind games with myself. There are times in worship that I feel like I want to raise my hands up. But someone will think I've lost it…so I don't. And then I get to thinking…..what if I raise my hands now…but don't have that feeling next week. If I don't raise my hands then….people will wonder why my hands aren't raised. They will think that there must be a problem! And what if I don't have that feeling all the time….will I feel like I need to raise my hands just for other people's benefit. People are always analyzing and analyzing what others do in worship. Everybody is analyzing. But you know…..as I type this…….it sounds so very anal. I never realized how similar the words are…..analyzing and anal….until I started typing. I don't want to be like this. I want to be free and genuine and sincere.

FREE!………………..GENUINE!……………SINCERE!

My wife may even think I've lost it. She has never raised her hands. Then if I raise my hands……will that make my wife feel like she needs to raise hers too? Will she feel uncomfortable standing/sitting next to me……wondering what I'm gonna do next in worship. What if I tell her about my desire and she tells me that she would prefer that I not raise my hands in worship…….what do I do then??????? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!

JMF my son…….we are going to have to set you free.

]]> By: JMF http://oneinjesus.info/2010/01/faith-lessons-by-ray-vander-laan-crossing-the-red-sea/#comment-11041 JMF Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:58:34 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/?p=7949#comment-11041 Stan--- I don't know you brother, but that was an amazing post and really spoke to the heart of how I feel myself. How do we change?!?!?! I DON'T KNOW!! I don't have a family, but if God does bless me with that some day, I REFUSE to allow another generation of my bloodline to grow up not knowing how to experience and emotionally connect to our God and other Christians! It is so hard! As the "Chosen Frozen" (as we in the COC have affectionately been labeled), stoicism is considered a virtue. But brother, I have no idea how to change yet still be true to myself....all-the-while knowing I want to permanently change this behavior(rather, lack thereof). What do we do? Stan—

I don't know you brother, but that was an amazing post and really spoke to the heart of how I feel myself. How do we change?!?!?! I DON'T KNOW!! I don't have a family, but if God does bless me with that some day, I REFUSE to allow another generation of my bloodline to grow up not knowing how to experience and emotionally connect to our God and other Christians!

It is so hard! As the "Chosen Frozen" (as we in the COC have affectionately been labeled), stoicism is considered a virtue. But brother, I have no idea how to change yet still be true to myself….all-the-while knowing I want to permanently change this behavior(rather, lack thereof). What do we do?

]]> By: Jay Guin http://oneinjesus.info/2010/01/faith-lessons-by-ray-vander-laan-crossing-the-red-sea/#comment-11040 Jay Guin Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:03:31 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/?p=7949#comment-11040 Bob, I've posted lessons based on all 7 DVDs under "Faith Lessons by Ray Vander Laan," as well as some mp3s of lessons he's taught. I understand he's about to release 2 more DVDs shortly. <a href="http://www.followtherabbi.com/Brix?pageID=1985" rel="nofollow">http://www.followtherabbi.com/Brix?pageID=1985</a> Bob,

I've posted lessons based on all 7 DVDs under "Faith Lessons by Ray Vander Laan," as well as some mp3s of lessons he's taught. I understand he's about to release 2 more DVDs shortly.
http://www.followtherabbi.com/Brix?pageID=1985

]]> By: Jay Guin http://oneinjesus.info/2010/01/faith-lessons-by-ray-vander-laan-crossing-the-red-sea/#comment-11039 Jay Guin Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:36:14 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/?p=7949#comment-11039 Nick, I think you're right about Victorianism. Somewhere along the way, Victorianism became associated with Christianity in our thinking. I'm not sure how it happened. I wonder if anyone has done a study? Nick,

I think you're right about Victorianism. Somewhere along the way, Victorianism became associated with Christianity in our thinking.

I'm not sure how it happened. I wonder if anyone has done a study?

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