N. T. Wright’s The Day the Revolution Began, Romans Reconsidered, Part 45 (A Re-translation, chapter 5)

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4 Responses to N. T. Wright’s The Day the Revolution Began, Romans Reconsidered, Part 45 (A Re-translation, chapter 5)

  1. Eric Thomas says:

    On the point of inheriting a weakness to sin. Which seems to be true from my experience. I wonder if at the beginning the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was off limits because that knowledge was too much information too early. For example they were apparently naked and that was apparently wrong but they didn’t know that yet and God didn’t hold it against them. Because they now knew it was wrong God provided them with some. I don’t know just how much new information Adam and Eve got from eating the fruit but it was far more than they were ready for. Not to mention they had been forbidden from eating it to begin with. Now that I’m raising a child I can relate a little to this concept. You can’t always have a logical discourse with a three year old. So you give them age appropriate lessons in how to interact with others. I’m not teaching him to drive or educating him on how to behave on a date. That would just cause trouble at this point. I wonder if we also inherited some of that knowledge and if so the responsibility that comes with it. Another great example may be a new christian. They have some understanding about treating others the way they want to be treated but they may be living with their girlfriend. They’re not trying to offend anyone nor do they realize their sinning but as they grow in Christ they will have some decisions to make. Maybe the original plan was to give us what we needed as we were ready.

  2. Alabama John says:

    Eric, Today that thinking and teaching that I agree with is called “Available Light”. We all believe, accept and teach it with children and the mentally deficient but teach it doesn’t apply to all others.

  3. Monty says:

    Adam and Eve’s new found awareness of guilt and shame resulting from the disobedience in front of Holy God must have been unbearable(pardon the pun). It is Isaiah seeing the Lord in the temple high and holy, “Woe is me, for I am a man of unclean lips.” When Christ returns every knee will bow and every tongue confess, “Jesus is Lord.” I think for many it will be out of guilt and shame that they didn’t recognize him as Lord , or that they denied him as such, but in HIs presence there is no escaping how little we are and how much he is. Adam and Eve went on a journey of self discovery and what they found was surely disappointing.

  4. Dwight says:

    “For example they were apparently naked and that was apparently wrong but they didn’t know that yet and God didn’t hold it against them.”
    God created them naked, so it must not have been wrong. It was wrong to because they perceived it to be wrong. Such was man who saw something natural as wrong. Sin was not in their nakedness, but in their rebellion against God in taking of the fruit. I believe that the tree gave them self-awareness. They now didn’t only see God, but now they saw themselves in relation to God.
    At some point they could talk to the animals, but now they couldn’t.
    I think Monty is right when he said, “Adam and Eve went on a journey of self discovery.” Once they discovered self and sought self, they thought less of the God who created them.

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