Comments on: Born of Water http://oneinjesus.info Fri, 25 May 2012 00:26:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Kmmerci2 http://oneinjesus.info/books-by-jay-guin/born-of-water/#comment-126 Kmmerci2 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 00:58:00 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/born-of-water/#comment-126 Scripture clearly states in several places that we are not to add, take away or preach anything other than what the Lord has spoken in the pages of our Holy Bible. Careful study, prayer and a willingness to know and accept the Lord's truth will open that narrow gate for us. We must be willing to comply to our Lord's commands which are not burdensome as some suppose but free us from indwelling sin and our slavery to self service. Those who twist scriptures are behaving like our adversary, the devil who tempted Eve by adding one word, "NOT". You shall NOT surely die... Gen.3:4 , when the Lord had clearly said beforehand, "You shall not surely eat of this tree for in the day that you shall eat of it, you shall surely die." Gen.2:17. Satan twists words and meanings all day long. He is a liar and cannot tell the truth. When we get lax about adhering to the Lord's truth, Satan slips in and lures us away. Enter by the narrow gate for wide is the gate which leads to distruction and many go in thereby but narrow is the gate which leads to salvation and very few find it. Mt.7:13-14 and "Many are called but few are chosen." Mt.20:16 Scripture clearly states in several places that we are not to add, take away or preach anything other than what the Lord has spoken in the pages of our Holy Bible. Careful study, prayer and a willingness to know and accept the Lord's truth will open that narrow gate for us. We must be willing to comply to our Lord's commands which are not burdensome as some suppose but free us from indwelling sin and our slavery to self service. Those who twist scriptures are behaving like our adversary, the devil who tempted Eve by adding one word, "NOT". You shall NOT surely die… Gen.3:4 , when the Lord had clearly said beforehand, "You shall not surely eat of this tree for in the day that you shall eat of it, you shall surely die." Gen.2:17. Satan twists words and meanings all day long. He is a liar and cannot tell the truth. When we get lax about adhering to the Lord's truth, Satan slips in and lures us away. Enter by the narrow gate for wide is the gate which leads to distruction and many go in thereby but narrow is the gate which leads to salvation and very few find it. Mt.7:13-14 and "Many are called but few are chosen." Mt.20:16

]]> By: Kmmerci2 http://oneinjesus.info/books-by-jay-guin/born-of-water/#comment-125 Kmmerci2 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 00:45:00 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/born-of-water/#comment-125 Dear sister Patricia, I fully agree. Well quoted! Amen. Dear sister Patricia, I fully agree. Well quoted! Amen.

]]> By: Kmmerci2 http://oneinjesus.info/books-by-jay-guin/born-of-water/#comment-124 Kmmerci2 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 00:41:00 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/born-of-water/#comment-124 Mr. Gary, considering all your replies, how do you explain 1 Peter 3:21? It clearly states that baptism now saves us by giving us a clear conscience toward God. We are buried with him in baptism (Romans 6:3; Gal.3:26-27) The Galatians scripture I just mentioned ties the faith factor in with the baptism factor. They work together. Faith come by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17. The ethiopian eunich was baptized after Philip shared the gospel with him after explaining what Isaiah was talking about which the eunich was reading. Acts 8:29-39. Acts 19:3-5 gives a display of the three baptisms available at that time (1st century) and shows that John's baptism was for repentance only and not effective after Christ died, was buried and raised from the dead. This is when the Christian age (New Testament) came into effect. Then there is the baptism of the Holy Spirit which was given only to the Apostles and then translated to certain disciples of that time and then faded away before Paul's final imprisonment and then there is the baptism for the remission of sins which Peter preached about. Only the water immersion stands to this day and is the one which saves us as I first stated in 1 Peter. Baptism is for the repented believer and for the remission of sins. It puts us into Christ. There is not condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the spirit (our spirit with God's Spirit). Romans 8:1. We all need to read our bibles more don't we? -Karen M Mr. Gary, considering all your replies, how do you explain 1 Peter 3:21? It clearly states that baptism now saves us by giving us a clear conscience toward God. We are buried with him in baptism (Romans 6:3; Gal.3:26-27) The Galatians scripture I just mentioned ties the faith factor in with the baptism factor. They work together. Faith come by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17. The ethiopian eunich was baptized after Philip shared the gospel with him after explaining what Isaiah was talking about which the eunich was reading. Acts 8:29-39. Acts 19:3-5 gives a display of the three baptisms available at that time (1st century) and shows that John's baptism was for repentance only and not effective after Christ died, was buried and raised from the dead. This is when the Christian age (New Testament) came into effect. Then there is the baptism of the Holy Spirit which was given only to the Apostles and then translated to certain disciples of that time and then faded away before Paul's final imprisonment and then there is the baptism for the remission of sins which Peter preached about. Only the water immersion stands to this day and is the one which saves us as I first stated in 1 Peter. Baptism is for the repented believer and for the remission of sins. It puts us into Christ. There is not condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the spirit (our spirit with God's Spirit). Romans 8:1. We all need to read our bibles more don't we? -Karen M

]]> By: Kmmerci2 http://oneinjesus.info/books-by-jay-guin/born-of-water/#comment-123 Kmmerci2 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 00:23:00 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/born-of-water/#comment-123 Ephesians 4:1-6, "I, Therefore the prisoner ot the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called, with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffereing, bearing with one another in love, endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." And the Lord's scripture here says it all. -Karen M Ephesians 4:1-6, "I, Therefore the prisoner ot the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called, with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffereing, bearing with one another in love, endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." And the Lord's scripture here says it all. -Karen M

]]> By: Kmmerci2 http://oneinjesus.info/books-by-jay-guin/born-of-water/#comment-122 Kmmerci2 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 00:13:00 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/born-of-water/#comment-122 Paul got bit by a snake and did not die. Acts 28:3-5 Paul got bit by a snake and did not die. Acts 28:3-5

]]> By: Kmmerci2 http://oneinjesus.info/books-by-jay-guin/born-of-water/#comment-121 Kmmerci2 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 00:10:00 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/born-of-water/#comment-121 This is my question as well. This passage does jibe with many others just the same. The KJV translators were under the gun if you will by King James to transelate every word accordingly or else face execution! - Karen M This is my question as well. This passage does jibe with many others just the same. The KJV translators were under the gun if you will by King James to transelate every word accordingly or else face execution! – Karen M

]]> By: Kmmerci2 http://oneinjesus.info/books-by-jay-guin/born-of-water/#comment-120 Kmmerci2 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 00:07:00 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/born-of-water/#comment-120 Yes. And I didn't see, even though I admit I riffled through quite a bit because I was familiar already with many of the arguments and wanted to see what our brother concluded, where he referenced 1 Peter 3:21 which reads that "There is an antitype which now saved us, baptism (not the removal of filth from the flesh but an answer to a clear conscience toward God)..." And Romans 6:3 and Gal. 3:26 and Acts 20:16. Not to mention John 3:3-5. Clearly we cannot be cavalier about this but make our call and election sure. -Karen M Yes. And I didn't see, even though I admit I riffled through quite a bit because I was familiar already with many of the arguments and wanted to see what our brother concluded, where he referenced 1 Peter 3:21 which reads that "There is an antitype which now saved us, baptism (not the removal of filth from the flesh but an answer to a clear conscience toward God)…" And Romans 6:3 and Gal. 3:26 and Acts 20:16. Not to mention John 3:3-5. Clearly we cannot be cavalier about this but make our call and election sure. -Karen M

]]> By: One In Jesus » Baptism, An Exploration: Preliminary Theories and Conclusions http://oneinjesus.info/books-by-jay-guin/born-of-water/#comment-119 One In Jesus » Baptism, An Exploration: Preliminary Theories and Conclusions Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:02:50 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/born-of-water/#comment-119 [...] Born of Water [...] [...] Born of Water [...]

]]> By: Patricia Harrod-Wyro http://oneinjesus.info/books-by-jay-guin/born-of-water/#comment-118 Patricia Harrod-Wyro Sun, 02 Jan 2011 03:53:00 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/born-of-water/#comment-118 Hello Gary, You said, "Likewise, the Churches of Christ were basically white racist churches from 1898 to 2002. Were all members damned because their churches supported the Jim Crow laws of the South, belonged to the Klan, or supported Segregation? Very interesting, when the question is turned around." Would you please tell me where I can find the proof for the comments that you made above. I have been a member of the church for 46 years and I know nothing of the things you mentioned and attributed to the church. Thanks, Patricia Hello Gary,
You said, "Likewise, the Churches of Christ were basically white racist churches from 1898 to 2002. Were all members damned because their churches supported the Jim Crow laws of the South, belonged to the Klan, or supported Segregation? Very interesting, when the question is turned around."

Would you please tell me where I can find the proof for the comments that you made above. I have been a member of the church for 46 years and I know nothing of the things you mentioned and attributed to the church.
Thanks,
Patricia

]]> By: Patricia Harrod-Wyro http://oneinjesus.info/books-by-jay-guin/born-of-water/#comment-116 Patricia Harrod-Wyro Sun, 02 Jan 2011 03:42:00 +0000 http://oneinjesus.info/born-of-water/#comment-116 Gary, Act 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Do you see how the scripture is worded.."Repent and be baptized". Repentance is connected by "and" showing that something else is in addition to the repentance. You can clearly see that AFTER "Repent and be baptized"...the "remission of sins" follows. It does not come before baptism and it does not come before repentance. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), by the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (I Peter 3:20-21). Peter stated in the plainest of terms that "baptism doth also now save us"; although, many today will flatly contradict the apostle by saying that baptism does not save us! In other words, Peter is saying that the salvation of Noah by water foreshadowed or prefigured our salvation through baptism; Noah was saved by water and in a true likeness, or corresponding to that figure, baptism also saves us. When we are baptized "into Christ" (Galatians 3:27), we become new creatures in Christ. "And now why tarriest thou? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord" (Acts 22:16). Patricia Gary,

Act 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Do you see how the scripture is worded.."Repent and be baptized". Repentance is connected by "and" showing that something else is in addition to the repentance. You can clearly see that AFTER "Repent and be baptized"…the "remission of sins" follows. It does not come before baptism and it does not come before repentance.
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), by the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (I Peter 3:20-21).
Peter stated in the plainest of terms that "baptism doth also now save us"; although, many today will flatly contradict the apostle by saying that baptism does not save us! In other words, Peter is saying that the salvation of Noah by water foreshadowed or prefigured our salvation through baptism; Noah was saved by water and in a true likeness, or corresponding to that figure, baptism also saves us. When we are baptized "into Christ" (Galatians 3:27), we become new creatures in Christ. "And now why tarriest thou? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord" (Acts 22:16).

Patricia

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