My name is Jay Guin, and I’m a retired elder. I wrote The Holy Spirit and Revolutionary Grace about 18 years ago. I’ve spoken at the Pepperdine, Lipscomb, ACU, Harding, and Tulsa lectureships and at ElderLink.
My wife’s name is Denise, and I have four sons, Chris, Jonathan, Tyler, and Philip. I have two grandchildren. And I practice law.
Of course, tithing should get a bad rap. Pastors have been twisting it to fit their denominational traditions and opinions for several decades.
If only people would open their Bibles and study them, they would realize that the monetary tithe requirement doctrine is nowhere found in the pages of that sacred book.
God’s commanded tithe was agricultural, not monetary. And it was restricted to a specific geographical location in the world. It was not worldwide.
When pastors teach a god that requires monetary tithes, they teach a false god. They lead their congregations down a dark path of deception rather than on a path illuminated by the word of God.
Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. Psalms 119:105
Boldproclaimer, this is a blast from the past that you found…2/7/09.
But you are right, but still within the churches the attitude of tithing is pretty secure, it is just we don’t call it tithing and we don’t have a percentage in mind.
But when we get to the churches that don’t preach 10% they still preach that people should give to the church every Sunday…as in the contribution. Because of what Paul wrote to the Corinthians and Galatians are, of course, creates a command, or maybe an example, which of course Paul meant for all churches, even though he never says that.
The reality of the scriptures is that even when the people came laid the money at the apostles feet we know that the people giving the money expected the money to go to other people and not to the apostles who did with it what they wanted.
The money given always went to the needs of other people. Always. So the money wasn’t really given to Paul or the church, but the needy people.
Now do the people who teach monetary tithes teach a false god. No, as they are still giving to God, but they are teaching, as many do as noted above, that you must give by command, and not by the heart. Just because we don’t teach tithing, doesn’t mean that other false teachings are involved in giving.
What is often lost is that the money, all of it, always went to people. I know many people who try to give 10% because they want to, but only 3-5% goes to people in need, because the church filters the rest for other things.
In most cases the tithing of money goes for preachers salary (adjusted according to how much money is tithed) and in some others doing good works in their busy schedules. Electric, gas, plumbing, building maintenance and many other things before money given to others that need help.
The church as we know it has become a money receiving business. ASSETS matter!
Best way to tithe is not with money, but, to give of your time volunteering at places that need help and a knowledge of Christ so they can become saved and have heaven as their home. Where ever you live those places are all around you.
We never want to hear at judgment “I never knew you” and nether did anyone else.
God counts the actions of the heart, not the money.
Good thing is this can be done even if you are broke and have no money to money tithe.
Walk to to a place to help and spread the good news!
Bad Rap is right.
Of course, tithing should get a bad rap. Pastors have been twisting it to fit their denominational traditions and opinions for several decades.
If only people would open their Bibles and study them, they would realize that the monetary tithe requirement doctrine is nowhere found in the pages of that sacred book.
God’s commanded tithe was agricultural, not monetary. And it was restricted to a specific geographical location in the world. It was not worldwide.
When pastors teach a god that requires monetary tithes, they teach a false god. They lead their congregations down a dark path of deception rather than on a path illuminated by the word of God.
Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. Psalms 119:105
Boldproclaimer, this is a blast from the past that you found…2/7/09.
But you are right, but still within the churches the attitude of tithing is pretty secure, it is just we don’t call it tithing and we don’t have a percentage in mind.
But when we get to the churches that don’t preach 10% they still preach that people should give to the church every Sunday…as in the contribution. Because of what Paul wrote to the Corinthians and Galatians are, of course, creates a command, or maybe an example, which of course Paul meant for all churches, even though he never says that.
The reality of the scriptures is that even when the people came laid the money at the apostles feet we know that the people giving the money expected the money to go to other people and not to the apostles who did with it what they wanted.
The money given always went to the needs of other people. Always. So the money wasn’t really given to Paul or the church, but the needy people.
Now do the people who teach monetary tithes teach a false god. No, as they are still giving to God, but they are teaching, as many do as noted above, that you must give by command, and not by the heart. Just because we don’t teach tithing, doesn’t mean that other false teachings are involved in giving.
What is often lost is that the money, all of it, always went to people. I know many people who try to give 10% because they want to, but only 3-5% goes to people in need, because the church filters the rest for other things.
In most cases the tithing of money goes for preachers salary (adjusted according to how much money is tithed) and in some others doing good works in their busy schedules. Electric, gas, plumbing, building maintenance and many other things before money given to others that need help.
The church as we know it has become a money receiving business. ASSETS matter!
Best way to tithe is not with money, but, to give of your time volunteering at places that need help and a knowledge of Christ so they can become saved and have heaven as their home. Where ever you live those places are all around you.
We never want to hear at judgment “I never knew you” and nether did anyone else.
God counts the actions of the heart, not the money.
Good thing is this can be done even if you are broke and have no money to money tithe.
Walk to to a place to help and spread the good news!
Christ is shown by not where we throw our money, but where we help others in need.
I don’t mind someone encouraging the tithe; it’s just that everybody puts his own address on the “storehouse”.
A Charles Mclean sighting!
Anyone have an update on Jay?