The Revelation: Chapter 21:3-4 (“The Dwelling of God is with People”)

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lion-dove-lamb-yeshuaAn unnamed voice next enters the vision:

(Rev. 21:3 ESV) 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God.”

There are several subtleties here worth noting.

Dwelling

First, “dwelling” and “dwell” are taken from the Greek for tent or tabernacle. This is, of course, a reference to the Exodus, but also parallels John 1:14– Continue reading

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From the Comments: More Holy Spirit Questions (“Gift of the Holy Spirit”)

HolySpirit7A four-part answer to a four-part question from the comments:

Many passages of Scripture state that we have given the gift of the Holy Spirit, sealed with the Holy Spirit, we are temples of the Holy Spirit, God dwells in us by His Spirit, etc. I believe it all right. I just don’t understand it. So, when people here and the elders in our congregation (they believe in the indwelling “through the word”), say what they do, I get confused. Childish, right? Can you help me to understand in a simple manner (as to a child)?

Every passage you mention tells its own story. God teaches us, like children, through metaphor. We are not enough like God to understand things exactly. So God has to compare spiritual things to worldly things.

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The Revelation: Chapter 21:2 (The Bride of Christ, Part 2)

lion-dove-lamb-yeshuaWright answers my question

I found what I’ve been hoping to find in N. T. Wright’s Revelation for Everyone, although until I found it, I had no idea that Wright would agree with my thinking —

And the idea of ‘incarnation’, so long a key topic in our thinking about Jesus, is revealed as the key topic in our thinking about God’s future for the world. Heaven and earth were joined together in Jesus; heaven and earth will one day be joined fully and for ever. Paul says exactly the same thing in Ephesians 1:10.

That is why the closing scene in the Bible is not a vision of human beings going up to heaven, as in so much popular imagination, nor even of Jesus himself coming down to earth, but of the new Jerusalem itself coming down from heaven to earth. At first sight, this is a bit of a shock: surely the new Jerusalem, the bride of the lamb, consists of the people of God, and surely they are on earth already! How can they have been in heaven as well?

Tom Wright, Revelation for Everyone, For Everyone Bible Study Guides, (London; Louisville, KY: SPCK; Westminster John Knox, 2011), 187–188.

Exactly my question and for exactly the same reasons. Wright’s answer is more than a little unconventional, but it’s one I’ve suggested several times in this blog — Continue reading

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From the Comments: How Do We Know the Holy Spirit Personally Indwells? Part 3

HolySpirit7Eighth, how do we know that the Spirit is indwelling us?

Well, lots of ways.

* We know it by the Spirit’s testimony in our hearts (Rom 8:26).

* We see the fruit of the Spirit in our lives (Gal 5:22-25). Paul could not more plainly say that these things come about due to the Spirit’s work in us — Continue reading

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The Revelation: Chapter 21:2 (The Bride of Christ, Part 1)

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At last we move to the next verse (the pace will pick up as we go) —

(Rev. 21:2 ESV)  2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 

At first, this seems an easy passage to interpret. The OT often describes God as the husband of Israel, and thus Israel’s idolatry is described as “adultery.” In the NT, the church is described as the bride of Christ, surely bringing the OT imagery forward to show Christ as our Lord (which can also mean “husband”) and the church as the true Israel (that is Israel with faithful Gentiles grafted in, as in Rom 11). Continue reading

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From the Comments: How Do We Know the Holy Spirit Personally Indwells? Part 2

HolySpirit7Thomas Dohling responded to my comment with this question:

Thank you for the “abbreviated introduction.” However, how does God change/transform our hearts? Isn’t it through the sharp written word? There are Scripture passages to this effect which we know of. Or is it by faith? How does the Spirit indwell us?

Convince me please, it is important. I have to know definitively. I want my mental struggle of 33 years to end in a “logical” conclusion. I believe in an infinite God, the Eternal Spirit, with Whom everything is possible and beyond. I want to know whether He operates in our heart independent of the written word. If He does, how do we know it? How do we become aware of His power at work in us? (Using Paul’s language.)

I responded,

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The Revelation: Chapter 21:1 (the sea was no more, Part 2)

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After 1600 words on “the sea was no more,” it’s probably appropriate to ask whether this is an important question. I mean, many commentaries deal with the question by not addressing it at all!

Well, this is how I see it —

  • Rev 21:1 is one of those key, turning-point passages. It obviously parallels Gen 1:1-2. Both deal with God creating the heavens and the earth.
  • Nearly everyone who reads Rev 21:1 finds “the sea was no more” very odd. What is it about the sea that makes it unworthy of the new heavens and new earth?
  • The commentators struggle for an answer. Very appropriately, they note that the sea is always associated with bad things in the earlier parts of the Revelation, but rarely does a commentator suggest a reason that the sea is associated with separation from God or chaos.
  • The commentators also note NT passages where the sea is a metaphor for bad things, such as Eph 4:14. But again, rarely does someone offer a reason for the sea to be a negative metaphor.
  • And a few commentators who are familiar with Jewish backgrounds point out non-canonical literature where the sea is spoken of as evil or even as disappearing in the new heavens and new earth prophesied by Isaiah. But why?

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From the Comments: How Do We Know the Holy Spirit Personally Indwells? Part 1

HolySpirit7I’ve posted a few extensive comments answering readers questions that I probably should have written as posts. That is, I was really long winded in the little bitty comment boxes.

Thomas Dohling asked,

I am inclined to agree with @Sonny Childs when he says, “there should be little debate that ‘spirit’ refers to God’s nature,” The Bible says, “…be transformed by the renewing of your mind” (Romans 12:2). How is the mind renewed? By studying God’s Word (the Bible) or by “another entity” dwelling in our bodies, taking control of our minds and renewing it? Wouldn’t the second premise be similar to a maker reprogramming a robot?

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The Revelation: Chapter 21:1 (the sea was no more, Part 1)

lion-dove-lamb-yeshuaThe last part of Rev 1:1 declares that in John’s vision of the end of time, “the sea was no more.” And I have to say that, while I’m looking forward to a new body, I would hate for there to be no beaches in heaven. I love the beach. And seafood.

So how this is supposed to be a blessing? The commentators struggle with this one. Leon Morris’s explanation is becoming a standard response — Continue reading

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The Revelation: What About 2 Peter 3:10-13?

lion-dove-lamb-yeshua2 Peter 3:10-13 is one of the most common
— and understandable — objections to belief in a general bodily resurrection, as opposed to a disembodied eternal fate for the saved. This familiar passage is usually taken to mean that God is going to take the saved away from earth so that he can then destroy the earth with fire.

(2Pe 3:10-13 ESV)  10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.  11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,  12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn!  13 But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

But what if we were to read 2 Peter in light of the Old Testament prophecies he’s referring to, as well as to Paul and Revelation? Does Peter really teach that the world will be destroyed with fire? Continue reading

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