Salvation 2.0: Part 3.19 The Principalities and Powers

grace5David Bentley Hart’s argument insists that a good God making a good Creation from  nothing (ex nihilo) must bring his Creation to a good end. Perpetual conscious torment (PCT) of  rational beings — humans — is not a good end. Therefore, there can be no PCT.

He resolves the problem by assuming Universal Reconciliation, that is, that the damned, after being justly punished, will be confronted with the glory and beauty that is God, and the damned will repent and be saved, living forever in bliss.

Among the many problems with this theory is its failure to deal with the fate of evil spiritual beings. They are also a part of the Creation, who chose to reject God as a matter of free will — much like humans who are damned — except the spiritual beings see God as spirit and so much more as God really is, and yet they reject him. Continue reading

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Salvation 2.0: Part 3.18: David Bentley Hart’s “God, Creation, and Evil,” Part 11

grace5So, to wrap up, I don’t buy the Universal Reconciliation Argument. Neither do I agree with the traditional Perpetual Conscious Torment of the damned position.

Rather, I’m sold that Edward Fudge is right in teaching Conditionalism, that is, that the damned will be punished with God’s perfect justice and then destroyed — they will cease to exist forever.

This position has several advantages, some of which are dealt with Hart’s essay on “God, Creation, and Evil,” which is where we began this sub-series. Continue reading

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Salvation 2.0: Part 3.17: David Bentley Hart’s “God, Creation, and Evil,” Part 10

grace5Available Light

So this inevitably brings up the question of “available light” — the theory that God saves those who’ve never heard of Jesus, at least, those who are good people.

I debated this question with Al Maxey back in this series. (The series with Brother Al is fairly brief, and it’s followed by an extensive deeper reflection on the problems raised by the theory, also available through the same link.)

I just plain don’t agree with the available light theory — largely because it promises to save people who don’t have faith based on some supposed theory of salvation by good works.

But many of the objections go away if we suppose not salvation but a painless, punishment-free cessation of existence for those never taught Jesus. It’s still problematic but not nearly as problematic. Continue reading

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Salvation 2.0: Part 3.16: David Bentley Hart’s “God, Creation, and Evil,” Part 9

grace5Pre-resurrection Gentiles, again

If I’m right that the sinned-against deserve justice from God, then we have to admit that, so far as the scriptures reveal, there is no justice pre-Jesus. If the evil people of the pre-Jesus Gentile world simply died and ceased to exist, then their victims receive neither eternal bliss nor justice.

I don’t know the answer because, the best I can find, it’s not revealed. I can think of two possibilities — Continue reading

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The Role of Women at Wineskins; The rest of the posts

roleofwomenThe last two posts of my series on the role of women are now posted. The first two dealt with 1 Cor 14:33b-35.

The second two deal with the Holy Spirit and what authority comes from the giftedness that comes from the Spirit.

Here they are —

Giftedness, Part 3: The Present Work of the Spirit in Christians

Giftedness, Part 4: 1 Corinthians 12 on Giftedness and Authority

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Salvation 2.0: Part 3.15: David Bentley Hart’s “God, Creation, and Evil,” Part 8

grace5Has Paul prophesied that the Jews will eventually be saved?

The hard question is whether God has promised that the Jews will enter the Kingdom sometime  in the future. N.T. Wright says no —

It is at this point, of course, that many have tried to mount an exegetical argument to say that, while Paul has indeed explained the renewal of the covenant, the rethinking of election, as I have expounded it above, he here offers a different argument, supremely in 11:25–26, for thinking that God is also providing a special way of salvation, still reserved for Jews and Jews only. Indeed, not to mount such an argument is to run the risk of being accused of that current heresy, ‘supersessionism’, the mere mention of which is enough to drive otherwise clear-headed exegetes into abject apology and hasty backtracking. Has Paul really so redefined election around Messiah and Spirit that there is no room for anyone who clings to the original election while rejecting those two redefining poles? Is not Paul’s whole argument in chapter 11 that, despite their unbelief, the Jewish people are still ‘beloved because of the patriarchs’ (v. 28)?
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The Role of Women at Wineskins

roleofwomenI’ve begun a brief series at Wineskins responding to Matthew Morine’s article in the September issue of the Gospel Advocate available at  “The Feminist Agenda Within the Churches of Christ.”

The gist of Matthew’s argument is that the giftedness of women does not provide authority for them to speak in a mixed worship assembly. In response, I’ve post two articles on 1 Cor 14:33b-35 and will soon post two on
1 Cor 12, dealing with gifts of the Spirit.

Giftedness, Part 1: Does Giftedness Give Women Authority to Speak?

Giftedness, Part 2: Further on 1 Cor 14:33b-35

Part 3 and 4 to appear shortly.

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Salvation 2.0: Part 3.14: David Bentley Hart’s “God, Creation, and Evil,” Part 7

grace5The fate of the Jews

Now, I suppose I should address whether the Jews are a special case. And the great theologians differ. But I think we can lay a few principles down pretty clearly, even if we can’t answer every question with certainty.

First, Paul goes out of his way to specify that, after Pentecost, the Jews will be saved by faith in Jesus or not at all. That’s the point of his great missionary midrash on Deu 30 in Rom 10 — Continue reading

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Salvation 2.0: Part 3.13: David Bentley Hart’s “God, Creation, and Evil,” Part 6

grace5Justice vs. forgiveness

Ah, but there is a problem with Wright’s thesis. The saved — Christians — will have the opportunity to forgive those who’ve sinned against them, thereby releasing themselves from the hold that the sin of others has over them. I entirely agree. But what of the lost?

Well, the lost will cease to exist. They will be destroyed and, to the extent God’s perfect justice so requires, they will be punished for their own sins. And they will be vindicated, in that those who’ve sinned against them will suffer the same fate — except, of course, for the saved. But the saved who’ve sinned against others — all of us — will be forgiven by God but at the price of being made fully aware of the awful price that our sins have cost God — especially Jesus on the cross. (I both look forward to and dread that day!) I mean, we can’t become truly in God’s image and not be fully aware of the cost of the cross. Continue reading

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Email Issues

email downI have over 1400 email subscribers, and I’ve received four or five messages that emails aren’t getting through and about that many confirming that email is working.

Of course, people who gave up on the site due to email failure never got the email asking how their email is doing. So it’s hard to know what to do …

Here’s the plan —

  1. I’m contacting my ISP consultant (my nephew) to see if he can find a problem on this end. He’s cleaned up a lot of problems that built up over the years, but fixing someone else’s code is never easy.
  2. If you’ve contacted me by any means regarding not getting email, I’ve checked what I know how to check. You’re correctly in the email database.
  3. Please check your junk mail/spam filter. With all the references to “hell” and “damnation” lately, I wouldn’t be surprised if One In Jesus has been trapped as spam. Most software has a place to enter a safe list or “white list” of sites you trust. Enter . While you’re at it, also enter . (The difference is the “s” after “http”.)
  4. You might prefer to read One In Jesus using an RSS reader, such as Feedly. Click on the link, set up a free account (no reason to pay for the pro version that I can find), and then add One In Jesus as a site you wish to follow. You can do this through the search feature or by clicking the Add Content button.
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