Salvation 2.0: Introduction

grace5I suppose we should start by asking what it means to be saved and to be lost.

I’m not trying to write a systematic theology, and so I won’t be trying to explain who God is and the Holy Trinity. I assume the reader agrees with me — at least enough for this discussion to be profitable.

But we do need to tear down some misconceptions so we can rebuild something better. And the first misconception is the nature of salvation.

Let’s start with what salvation is for. Later, we’ll consider what salvation is from. And then we’ll go from there to consider how someone might be saved and how a saved person might fall away. That will lead to a discussion of church discipline and fellowship. But we have long way to go to get there. Continue reading

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Three Star Revival: “Sixty Days”

New band from Knoxville. Christian roots. Going places.

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Out of the Dust: “All That I’m Made For”

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American Opera: Shorelines

For those who have daughters or granddaughters or might one day.

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American Opera: “Lift Up This City”

A lamentation.

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Hiatus

hiatusI’m going to take a few days off. Maybe a week or so.

When I return, Lord willing and unless I change my mind, I want to re-cover the basics of grace, sin, forgiveness, fellowship, and damnation. In other words, What must I do to be saved? and What will cause a saved person to be lost? and How should church discipline be exercised?

To me, these are topics that even the N. T. Wrights and Richard Hays of this world rarely address. Sometimes the topics are addressed in part by the scholars, but rarely in full — as a whole topic. Continue reading

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Homosexuality: The Agnostic Option

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Reader and frequent commenter Dustin brought to my attention a very interesting paper in which a very bright, talented student of theology chooses to be agnostic on the morality of gay marriage. It was of particular interest to me because reader and frequent commenter Gary keeps urging me to take the agnostic position. I’d never heard it argued before, and I found it fascinating reading.

Brad East, a graduate of ACU and a current doctoral student in theology at Yale Divinity (also has written a few articles for the Restoration Quarterly Journal), brings another view: he doesn’t know the right answer. Here’s the conclusion to his paper “Confessing Bewilderment as a Theologian: On Tradition, Experience, and the Ethics of Same-Sex Relationships” (posted at his blog Resident Theology):

“Not only do I understand this argument {the argument that homosexuals should remain celibate or turn their desires to the opposite sex}, I believe it is simple, coherent, and biblical, and it names the experience of Christian friends who experience same-sex attraction. If I were pushed to make a decision on the matter with no room to struggle, I would find myself landing here. So why not claim it as my position? Primarily, the combination of the severe ambiguity of Scripture with the powerful, deeply emotional testimonies from gay Christians who affirm and model the mutual love and respect possible in covenanted same-sex relationships. Furthermore, given the example of the Spirit’s free and creative activity—paradigmatically in leading the early Jewish church away from every known possibility given to them by Scripture and tradition regarding the practices of circumcision and ritual purity—who can say where the wind blows?

“As it stands, because I am not and do not plan to be a pastor, but rather claim the calling of a theologian, I believe that the only faithful option available to me for the time being is to continue to live in the tension of not knowing, of not having an answer (even for class assignments). More than anything, my prayer is for the church: that we find ways to love one another and not to demonize, to welcome and not to barricade, to worship and not to exclude. If God gives even that much grace, it will be enough.”

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The Polygamy Question

polygamyReader Tom submitted a thoughtful question regarding how my views on church and state would apply to polygamy rather than homosexuality.

You have indicated that you would favor laws that outlaw polygamy, so let me reword my earlier question. Let’s say I live in a state that has a referendum on the ballot that states something like “Under the laws of this state, marriage shall be construed as being exclusively monogamous in nature.”

If I vote in the affirmative for such a referendum:

1. Have I necessarily violated 1 Corinthians 5: 12-13?

2. Have I been mean-spirited, placed myself in a morally superior position or in some way ungraciously judged/condemned those who disagree and would like the state to affirm that their own polygamous relationship(s) is/are a marriage?

I am not really asking whether such a referendum ought to be passed, or whether a Christian person ought to vote “Yes” on such a referendum. I am just asking if necessarily they have done something not in keeping with being a follower of Christ.

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Vines: God and the Gay Christian, Part 6 (Conclusions)

We are considering one of the latest, and most favorably reviewed, books supporting Christian gay marriage, Matthew Vines’ God and the Gay Christian: The Biblical Case in Support of Same-Sex Relationships.

At this point, the defense rests. We could move on to other arguments made by Vines, but this is more than enough to make the point.

Vines does make additional, thoughtful arguments, but they just don’t matter if Romans 1 says what I believe it says and 1 Cor 6:9-10 says what I believe it says.

Paul lived in a culture that was very well aware of male and female homosexuality. In fact, the cultures that surrounded the Jews approved homosexual conduct by and large — even celebrated it. It wasn’t just the Greeks and the Romans. It was also the Egyptians, the Babylonians, and on and on. The Jews’ total rejection of homosexual sex marked them off from their neighbors just as surely as their food laws and circumcision — perhaps even more so.

The trend in the Bible is toward greater strictness, not less, regarding gay sex. The Torah says nothing specifically about lesbianism. Paul specifically condemns the practice. There is no sense in which the NT is less strict than the OT on this subject. There is no trend toward greater homosexual freedom. There is nothing in the NT that points toward approval of the practice or to the possibility that there might be exceptions to the broad condemnation found in scriptures. In fact, while the OT simply prohibits the practice, the NT offers a theological basis for the prohibition — making the case all the stronger. Continue reading

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Vines: God and the Gay Christian, Part 5 (1 Cor 6:9-10)

We are considering one of the latest, and best reviewed, books supporting Christian gay marriage, Matthew Vines’ God and the Gay Christian: The Biblical Case in Support of Same-Sex Relationships.

This is just part 5, but already I’m sure the back and forth is getting more than a little tedious. I’m generally pretty patient with this sort of discussion, but I confess to feeling the tedium.

The problem is that so many arguments are made, and no matter how illogical or badly founded, it just takes a lot of words to lay out Vines’ argument and to then respond, agreeing or disagreeing.

Vine and all those who argue his position are entitled to a fair, open minded hearing. Moreover, I don’t mind doing the hard work of working through all the arguments. But there comes a point … Continue reading

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