GraceConversation: Mac and Phil Withdraw

Posted on August 5, 2009 by Jay F Guin

grace7Phil has withdrawn from the discussion due to lack of time. Mac has also withdrawn. He’s allowed me to post his final email expressing his opinion of the discussion and issuing a challenge.

About Jay F Guin

My name is Jay Guin, and I’m a retired elder. I wrote The Holy Spirit and Revolutionary Grace about 18 years ago. I’ve spoken at the Pepperdine, Lipscomb, ACU, Harding, and Tulsa lectureships and at ElderLink. My wife’s name is Denise, and I have four sons, Chris, Jonathan, Tyler, and Philip. I have two grandchildren. And I practice law.
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4 Responses to GraceConversation: Mac and Phil Withdraw

  2. Keith Brenton says:
    August 6, 2009 at 8:33 am

    I wish calmer heads could have prevailed.

    Is there an overlap between the so-called conservative mindset and the heart of an irenic spirit?

  3. Brad Stanford says:
    August 6, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    With 100 years of differences, it's not surprising, really.

    To proceed further, there needs to be a commitment to a year's worth of face-to-face meetings – and not debates, as Mac has offered. A debate allows us to judge who has the quicker wit or the more amiable personality. It is a poor forum for coming together, for by nature, it is a defensive proposition.

    (If every time your elders needed to make a major decision they debated it on the stage in front of the congregation, what would be accomplished but divisiveness?)

  4. Gary Cummings says:
    August 6, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    Jay and all,

    When Mac Deaver accepts the grace of Christ and salvation by faith alone, he will be a powerful man of God. Debates are not about truth seeking, rather winners and losers. I put my money on the grace and Jesus. Just flush the COC patterns down the toilet where they belong.

    Gary Cummings

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