Baptism/Amazing Grace: A Conversation Over Lunch, Part 14

So I’m starting to get it, but it’s not entirely sinking in. Are you saying that salvation has to be by faith because only faith in Jesus can produce the relationship that God craves?

I didn’t say that, actually, but I wish I had. That’s how I see it. And it makes sense — if we rethink and redefine our religion in relational terms.

Now, it’s more than that, but it’s that — and the relationship element is absolutely key.

Anyone familiar with the Bible knows that God speaks about the church over and over in relational language. The church is the “family” of God, his “household,” his “bride.” We Christians are “sons of God.” We are his children. We are adopted.

These are not legal terms. They are relational. And God wants relationship.

The relationship he wants is obedience, but not just obedience; love, but not just love. We tend to talk about “love” in a romanticized sense. Kind of a pop song sense. It’s as though we need to feel mushy and gooey inside about God. Or maybe we just need to talk to him a lot, the way a teenage girl wants her boyfriend to call her.

But God wants a mature love, the love of a wife for her husband or the love of a child for her father. This is not an “I have a crush on you” kind of love but an “I would do anything for you” kind of love. It’s how a mother feels about her child. Parents would give up everything — even their lives — for their children.

God feels that way about us, and he expects us to feel the same way about our brothers and sisters. In fact, just as is true in every family, your parents will be very unhappy with you if you don’t love your brothers and sisters from the heart. That’s how families are supposed to be!

This what God craves. It’s not merely some command given to us for our own good, like eating Brussels sprouts. It’s a description of what we’ve been saved to become — a people who love each other intensely — as God does.

This, of course, takes us back to the image of God as found in Jesus. This love is modeled (imaged, really) by Jesus for us.

But what about people who love their neighbors but who’ve never even heard of God? Christians aren’t the only people who love — and often aren’t even the best at it. Why would God accept their love and not the love of others?

Who said anything about accepting our love? It’s not as though we buy our way into God’s family by choosing to love. That’s backward. We love because God first loved us. He brought us into his family, and therefore we love.

Be careful, or you’ll slip into a works salvation. I’ve been there. Don’t want to go back.

If Christian love isn’t all that special, then why faith in Jesus?

I didn’t say that Christian love isn’t special. It’s just not what brings us into God’s family. We don’t love our way in. We are adopted in, and so we love.

And that love comes from God’s Holy Spirit —

(Rom 5:3-5 ESV)  3 Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance,  4 and endurance produces character, and character produces hope,  5 and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.

(Rom 8:15 ESV)  15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”

(Gal 4:6 ESV)  6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”

And Paul can be quite extreme on the subject —

(1Co 12:3 ESV)  3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

He connects our salvation and our relationship with God with our receipt of the Spirit in no uncertain terms.

And so, I have to figure that part of the reason faith in Jesus is essential is that faith brings the Spirit. We’ve not said much about the Spirit. But the Spirit is associated with everything we’ve talked about so far.

It’s the Spirit that cries “Jesus is Lord” and “Abba! Father!” within our hearts. God pours his love into our hearts by the Spirit. Indeed, only those with the Spirit are saved —

(Rom 8:9-11 ESV)  9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.  10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.  11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

It’s by the indwelling Spirit that we’ll be resurrected to live in the New Jerusalem! It’s by the Spirit that we’ll receive immortality.

Now, if only those with the Spirit are saved, and if only those with faith in Jesus are saved, they must be connected in some way. Calvin would tell us that faith comes by the Spirit, and the Spirit comes by God’s election. Arminius would tell us that faith comes by hearing, and that the Spirit comes from faith.

Call me a traditionalist, if you must, but I think Acts 2:38 and the baptism of Jesus give the normative pattern. We have faith, we are baptized, and we receive the Spirit. Therefore, the Spirit follows faith.

Of course, the Spirit can be active in someone’s life to point them toward God before they are saved, but only the saved have the indwelling Spirit — and the personal relationship that creates.

Now, at this point, we have to speculate a little …

A little! All you’ve been doing is speculating!

No, I’ve actually been solidly within the Scriptures. You might disagree with my conclusions, but they are, I think, what the Scriptures explicitly teach.

But here we’re moving a bit beyond the reach of the text. For example, when the Tabernacle was dedicated, it had to be cleansed with blood before God could enter. Following a purification ritual, God descended to dwell in the Holy of Holies.

Thus, Christians must first be purified by faith and baptism before the Spirit enters them a temples of God and dwells there.

That makes sense, but it’s not entirely clear if that’s just metaphor or reality. It makes a little more sense if we think of the Spirit as only able to affect and transform a heart that wants and is willing to be transformed by God. And someone without faith cannot want God to enter his heart to transform it. In essence, because we have free will, we have to give permission.

I don’t recall inviting the Spirit into my heart …

If we invite Jesus into our hearts, we do the same. The Spirit is how Jesus enters. If we submit to baptism, we expect the “gift of the Holy Spirit.” We tacitly consent to whatever that means. We open ourselves to God.

And this is why those who acknowledge the active, indwelling work of the Spirit seem to be more influenced by the Spirit. They’ve allowed the Spirit in.

Consider —

(Tit 3:4-7 ESV)  4 But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared,  5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,  6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,  7 so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

How does God save us? Paul says, by the “renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us through Jesus Christ.” Notice that it’s “through Jesus” that the Spirit is poured out. Somehow, the work of Jesus and our faith in him brings the Spirit — who renews and regenerates us.

Maybe it’s because faith opens our hearts to the work of God in us. Maybe it’s because faith makes us just barely enough like Jesus that the Spirit can live within us. But that’s how it works.

Faith brings the Spirit.

About Jay F Guin

My name is Jay Guin, and I’m a retired elder. I wrote The Holy Spirit and Revolutionary Grace about 18 years ago. I’ve spoken at the Pepperdine, Lipscomb, ACU, Harding, and Tulsa lectureships and at ElderLink. My wife’s name is Denise, and I have four sons, Chris, Jonathan, Tyler, and Philip. I have two grandchildren. And I practice law.
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12 Responses to Baptism/Amazing Grace: A Conversation Over Lunch, Part 14

  1. Doug says:

    Yes! I hope this coversation with yourself extends to dying to self and growing in the Spirit. Receiving the Spirit at baptism doesn’t automatically translate into a full measure of God’s Spirit.

  2. Ray Downen says:

    I feared from the first-listed citations that Jay was omitting the true fact that the Spirit is given as a result of the new birth. That’s what many are now teaching. They seem unaware of Acts 2:38 and the promise that God will gift repentant believers who are baptized into Christ with His Spirit. How wonderful to read one of “us” write about what the Lord has in fact revealed about receipt of the Spirit! That we receive the Spirit as a result of our faith in Jesus is clear. And the inspired Word makes clear that the Spirit is given following repentance and baptism, not to cause sinners to be saved but because the sinner has now BEEN saved. And how true it is that receiving the Spirit as a gift does not automatically translate into our accepting “a full measure of God’s Spirit.” We are born as babes in Christ. Peter urges that we ADD to our faith, and as we do learn and grow, we know the Lord better and better and are more in tune with His Spirit than when the gift was first given.

  3. Ray Downen says:

    Correction to the previous post. I wrote, “That’s what many are now teaching” when I should have written, “Many are now teaching that the Spirit comes prior to the time when we are taught that the Spirit is given.”

  4. Charles McLean says:

    Nice post, Jay. It’s just hard for us, who have been inculcated with both the famous Protestant work ethic AND the American “pull yourself up by your own bootstraps” brand of self-determinism. Humbling to have to subordinate that to the love of God.

    “All is of God, for as von Hugel teaches, God is always previous.”
    –A.W.Tozer

  5. Alabama John says:

    Ray,

    What we have always taught in any COC I have known is the gift was not the Spirit itself but either salvation Eph 2:8 or eternal life Romans 6:23.

    When baptizing someone in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, the Bible is held aloft when that last one is spoken. Can all those from our past be wrong?

    The denominational world teaches the gift is the Holy Spirit itself so that can’t be right.

  6. Jerry says:

    Alabama John,
    Do I see irony dripping from your comments above? I know the truth of what you are saying, but surely you say it with irony – when Acts 5:32 speaks of “the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

  7. Alabama John says:

    Jerry,

    Pouring would be more like it! LOL

    Sad thing is most COC still teach and believe what I posted.

  8. R.J. says:

    Jay,

    Were The Samaritan’s saved in-between baptism and receipt of the Holy Spirit in Acts 8?

    “Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him” Romans 8:9.

  9. Jerry says:

    R.J,
    What the Samaritans received when Peter & John laid hands on them was a visible manifestation of the Holy Spirit, for “Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Spirit was given.” There is no visible manifestation of the Spirit Himself as a gift; there is (sometimes) visible manifestation of the gifts (plural) given by the Spirit.

    The difference is that between the Spirit as a gift and the Spirit as a giver of gifts. This continues to create confusion in our understanding of the Holy Spirit.

  10. R.J. says:

    Thanks Jerry.

  11. R.J. says:

    Based on this text(Acts 8) and Acts 10, I firmly believe that baptism and receipt of the Holy Spirit are normatively essential for salvation. But that an obedient faith is an absolute must.:)

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