Instrumental Music: An Email Regarding Proving God’s Will

I get emails —

From reading several of your posts, it seems that you have a flawed application and understanding of authority (especially in light of vocal music only). I will lay forth two basic arguments:

First, the Bible teaches us that we must “prove” what the will of God is and prove our practices by the word of God (1 Thess. 5:21; Eph. 5:10; Rom. 12:2). I have not seen you deal with these verses. I can prove vocal music in worship to God, but I have yet to see anyone prove mechanical music to God under the NT. If a practice can’t be proven, then we can’t have permission to participate. Continue reading

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Acts 2:38: Olan Hicks’ Comments on Baptism

I’m an Olan Hicks fan. Br. Hicks has written extensively on divorce and remarriage, advocating a generous, gracious view contrary to the usual legalism. As a result, he’s suffered all sorts of criticism, even being profiled as “apostate” by Contending for the Faith.

Br. Hicks is also a blogger. He has recently concluded an exchange with Al Maxey regarding baptism, in which Hicks challenges Maxey’s “salvation before baptism” doctrine. Continue reading

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The Book of Rules

Thanks to the Naked Pastor.

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Elders: Questions

What’s the difference between a shepherd, overseer, and an elder?

I’ve had a number of questions in the comments and in private emails asking me to explain the differences among the three terms for elder:

* Shepherd or pastor (same word in the Greek)

* Elder or presbyter (same word in the Greek)

* Overseer or bishop (same word in the Greek)

For those of us who grew up in the Churches of Christ, it’s common knowledge that these three words are used of the same office in the New Testament, even though many denominations separate them today.

In fact, the Church of Christ view is shared by nearly all New Testament scholars. It’s nearly universally conceded that the separation of elders from bishops as two distinct offices happened after New Testament times.

This conclusion is reached based on such passages as —

(Act 20:17, 28 ESV) 17 Now from Miletus he sent to Ephesus and called the elders of the church to come to him. … 28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.

(1Pe 5:1-3 ESV) So I exhort the elders among you, as a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, as well as a partaker in the glory that is going to be revealed:  2 shepherd the flock of God that is among you, exercising oversight, not under compulsion, but willingly, as God would have you; not for shameful gain, but eagerly;  3 not domineering over those in your charge, but being examples to the flock.

The three words carry different meanings with different histories. Each tells its own stories, as explained in the earlier posts in this series. But all three apply to the same office.

(I know it just freaks some readers out to say “office,” but it’s a fair interpretation. We just have to remember that the office doesn’t make the man. Rather, we ordain to the office those men gifted by God for the task. Thus, it really should be God’s decision who is ordained.)

What’s the scriptural method to ordain an elder?

The Bible gives precious little guidance. Implicit in Paul’s instructions to Titus is that the evangelist is to do the ordaining.

(Tit 1:5 ESV)  5 This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint [KJV: “ordain”] elders in every town as I directed you–

1 Timothy is bit more vague —

(1Ti 5:19-20 ESV) 19 Do not admit a charge against an elder except on the evidence of two or three witnesses.  20 As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

Paul certainly anticipated that Timothy might allow the church to charge and rebuke an elder, but it’s not altogether clear here or in 1 Timothy 3 that Timothy himself was expected to do this. Paul could easily have been giving instructions for how these things ought to be done. He wasn’t necessarily treating Timothy as a superior of the elders.

In his farewell speech to the Ephesian elders, Paul declares —

(Act 20:28 ESV)  28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.

Paul says the decision belongs to the Holy Spirit — which is not how we usually think of things. We Americans tend to think in terms of Roberts Rules of Order and democracy rather than the mystery of the Spirit.

But we see the same concept in —

(Act 6:3 ESV) 3 Therefore, brothers, pick out from among you seven men of good repute, full of the Spirit and of wisdom, whom we will appoint to this duty.

The apostles charged the congregation to (somehow) pick to oversee the church’s benevolence program men “full of the Spirit.” Thus, the selection of deacons was by the church — but by the church recognizing the work of the Spirit within certain of its members.

Those who want to find a “pattern” will not have much luck. Those who seek the work of the Spirit in God’s church will find ample evidence of his work.

In a mission church, such as Titus’s churches in Crete, it makes sense that the missionary — who is better trained and has greater experience in the gospel than his converts — would ordain the initial elders. He’d be foolish not to hear from the church first, as they may know some things about the men he is considering that he does not. Thus, Paul’s instructions refer to, among other things, the reputations of the men being considered.

However, where the preacher is hired by the elders, he is not the “evangelist” in the same sense as a Titus. After all, he can be fired. He may even be new to the church.

Therefore, in the case of second and later generation churches, the selection process has to be by the congregation, as in Acts 6, based on spiritual giftedness — as described in previous posts — but with the wisdom that comes from having the process overseen by older, wiser men.

Who is the second-generation equivalent of a missionary? Who has the greatest training and experience in the gospel in a given church? Well, in theory, the elders. Indeed, when elders are appointed without the consent of the existing elders, the church misses the benefit of their knowledge of the men to be appointed and their knowledge of the office. After all, who understands what it takes to be an elder better than a serving elder?

The problem with the elders being involved in the ordination process is that domineering and unspiritual elders can hang on to power and continue their ungodly rule if they are given a veto over good, new men.

I’ve seen it both ways. I’ve been involved in an effort to appoint the Spirit’s chosen elders when the men in place rejected them in a brutal, arrogant fight over control. And I’ve seen successive generations of good elders appoint their own successors, based on congregational nominations and input — and I’ve seen the congregation thrive under the leadership of wisely chosen men.

And I’ve seen the harm that one poorly chosen elder can bring to a church and the heartache he can cause his fellow elders. Trust me, nothing would be more unfair to good elders and dangerous to a congregation than to impose an elder on a good eldership without their blessing.

A proper solution is to insist that the worldly elders resign by charging them before the congregation based on the the testimony of two or three witnesses (1 Tim 5:19). And I’ve seen that done, too — well, actually, threatened — with the result that the right men were ordained and the church’s leadership set right.

As noted before, I think churches have the freedom to set up other solutions. Some require all elders to stand for re-ordination every few years. It’s not a bad practice, but not as good a solution as you might think. You see, in a larger church, the membership often has little way to evaluate the elders. As a result, even in churches with formal re-affirmation processes, bad elders often remain in office.

But re-affirmation does get rid of notoriously bad elders. It helps, but it’s no cure. The best cure, of course, is to be very, very careful of whom we select — and to then insist that an elder resign if requested to do so by his fellow elders. They’ll know.

How do we avoid ordaining bad elders?

The traditional selection process is nearly guaranteed to produce bad elders. It goes like this —

* Ask for names from the church.

* Interview the nominees as to their willingness to serve and their “scriptural qualification” found in Titus 1 and 1 Timothy 3.

* Announce those who survive the process and ask for any “scriptural objections” in writing signed by a member.

* If there are no objections, ordain the candidate.

Seriously. That’s how we normally do it. Notice what’s missing —

* Asking the church whether these men have been selected by the Spirit by gifting them for this task. (Evidently, we’ve written Acts 20:28 out of our Bibles.)

* Asking the existing elders whether these men are gifted for the task. Some churches appoint men without even consulting existing elders, presumably to limit their power. But shouldn’t they at least be asked?

And so, dear readers, what’s the solution? Is there one?

Some suggest placing a bishop over the church, serving in the shoes of the evangelist. And that works if the bishop is wise and knows the congregation very well. But who appoints the bishop? Who keeps him accountable? And how well has that system worked for those that have tried it?

Is there a simpler solution?

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Church Finances and Business: The Supreme Court and the Ministerial Exemption

The US Supreme Court recently ruled unanimously in favor of the so-called “ministerial exception” for churches in HOSANNA-TABOR EVANGELICAL LUTHERAN CHURCH AND SCHOOL v. EEOC.

The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) prohibits discrimination due to a disability. However, the courts hold that the First Amendment prohibits any governmental interference in the employment of “ministers” by a church. Continue reading

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Thought Question: Religion vs. Christianity

This video has had over 17 million views! Several bloggers have already reviewed it, some with positive comments and some with negative.

Let’s look at it another way. As Christians and leaders in congregations, what can we learn from this presentation and its wide reception?

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Off Hiatus

Well, sort of. I’m in between drafts — writing a sermon, writing about baptism for  New Wineskins (Feb. issue), preparing notes for my presentation at the Tulsa Workshop, etc.

The Tulsa Workshop schedule has been posted, by the way. I’m speaking for three consecutive classes on Friday afternoon. I’m hoping to meet and visit with several people I’ve only met electronically here at One In Jesus. Continue reading

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On Hiatus

I’m taking a few days off — likely less than a week — to work on a sermon I have to preach February 5. All my drafts thus far have been disappointing, and I blame me.

I have a new angle now, but now I have to start over entirely.

You see, we’re in between preachers and so, in utter desperation, the elders have to fill in.

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Elders: On the Authority of Elders, Part 5 (Bad Elders)

So what do we do with bad elders — men who have no business being elders? And how should the congregation respond to a bad decision by good elders?

Bad elders

No elder is perfect, and all elderships will make mistakes. But sometimes a man is ordained when in fact he has no business being an elder. He simply is not gifted to serve in that role — at all.

He may be domineering. He may act without concern for the flock. He may undercut the other elders. What should the church do?

Sadly, the Churches of Christ have very little teaching on how to deal with truly bad elders. We just let them get in the way, running off members and destroying God’s congregations. After all, there’s no denominational hierarchy to remove them, and the church has no right of recall.

In my congregation, we require new elders to sign a pledge to quietly resign if the other elders ask him to do so. We take that pledge with the utmost seriousness, and we’ve never had an elder even pause before signing. So far, the men we’ve ordained have so respected the other elders with whom they serve that they gladly make such a pledge. And this pledge makes the elders truly accountable to one another.

Other congregations adopt a rule that elders must stand for re-affirmation every so often, maybe every five years. In fact, some churches require an elder to take a year off every so many years and then be re-nominated and re-ordained to serve again.

Dub McClish, a Memphis preacher, has declared elder re-affirmation apostasy, but it’s an absurd argument. He says the practice is unauthorized because the scriptures are silent on such a process. But McClish thereby makes elders into monarchs, with lifetime appointments, regardless of conduct.

After all, elders must meet certain qualifications — not just those in the lists but also those denoted by the terms used for them — shepherd, overseer, and elder — and by the Spirit’s gifting of these men. If a man ceases to be qualified or is shown to have never been qualified, what’s the process to remove him? There’s no authority for leaving him in place! Indeed, to do so is to violate the scriptures — which is far worse than violating a silence — as though such a thing could be done. It’s a strange doctrine indeed that overrides specific instructions with a silence!

Another alternative is found in the scriptures —

(1Ti 5:19-20 ESV)  19 Do not admit a charge against an elder except on the evidence of two or three witnesses.  20 As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

The church has the power to try an elder for a sin persisted in. Domineering is a sin, because it violates the very words of Jesus. Not all decisions that the congregation might disagree with are sin, but where the sin is evident and not repented of after proper warning (see Matthew 18), the church may well formally rebuke an elder.

Indeed, under Matthew 18, the church could go so far as to disfellowship him. And if the church can disfellowship him altogether, surely the church can take the lesser step of removing him from office.

But this is a rare and very difficult thing to do. Speaking as an elder, I’d far rather be asked to quietly resign than be charged with sin before the entire church.

 

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Elders: On the Authority of Elders, Part 4

Jesus

Now, what does Jesus say about elders? Quite a lot, actually.

First, Jesus himself is referred to a “shepherd” several times, most importantly in —

(John 10:11-16 ESV)  11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.  12 He who is a hired hand and not a shepherd, who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them.  13 He flees because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.  14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me,  15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.  16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd. Continue reading

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