The Fork in the Road: The Pattern Et Cetera

This is in response to Cougan’s comment from Tuesday. The answers are too long for the comment box (and writing as a post is much easier on my bifocaled eyes).

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I wish you would email me when you decide to abandon the thread we were in and open up a new one.

Cougan,

It’s a shame that you aren’t keeping up with the other posts on this site. They bear on the questions were are discussing. Continue reading

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An Experiment in Christian Dialogue: Rev 22:18-19

Angel with harpThe website for the Central Church of Christ in Martinez, Georgia makes this argument against instrumental music on its page “What We Believe”

We can also see that Scripture clearly commands us to observe the will of God and not depart from it. Note the following passages: only. And to do only what the Bible says – nothing more,

“Do not add to what I have commanded you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.” (Deuteronomy 4:2)

“See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it.” (Deuteronomy 12:32)

“Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.” (Proverbs 30:6)

“I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.” (Revelation 22:18, 19) Continue reading

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The Fork in the Road: Dialogue with Cougan: The Plan of Salvation, Part 4 of 4 (Acceptance)

Accept one another

(Rom 15:7)  Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.

Paul discussion of how to live as Christ’s congregation culminates in one of the most important commands in the New Testament.

The “then” (”wherefore” in the KJV) says this is the conclusion from what has gone before. We’ve studied already Paul’s teachings on grace in chapter 5. The whole book is about grace, actually, and here’s the end of it all. We need to take extra care to get this verse right! Continue reading

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The Fork in the Road: Dialogue with Cougan: The Plan of Salvation, Part 3 of 4 (Ethics)

Ethics

We considered the boundaries of Christianity. We now consider the “rules.” And there are rules.

Now, rather than approaching the scriptures asking our own questions, we need to let the scriptures tell us both the questions and the answers. You see, sometimes what we think is important isn’t important to the New Testament writers at all.

Take Romans — a very long book written to a church that Paul had never visited. You’d think if there ever was a great occasion for Paul to lay out the “marks of the church” to make sure the church in Rome would be a “faithful” congregation of the brotherhood, this would be it. And Paul, indeed, writes chapters and chapters on how to live as a congregation of God’s people — but says hardly anything about how to conduct a worship service or how to organize. He doesn’t even lay out a whole bunch of rules, as we think of rules. Continue reading

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The Fork in the Road: Dialogue with Cougan: The Plan of Salvation, Part 2 of 4

Grace

Another critical mistake of 20th Century Church of Christ teaching is the false assumption that we receive more grace at baptism than is available to us afterwards. I’m sure many churches have members who’ve committed some horrible sin who can’t feel forgiven unless they are re-baptized. We’ve taught that God gives utterly complete forgiveness at baptism (he does) but that afterwards forgiveness depends on how well and how often we repent, confess, and pray for forgiveness — and even then that forgiveness isn’t given to those who don’t truly repent by eliminating that sin from their lives.

Thus, we argue, that those in the independent Christian Churches are damned because they’ve not repented of their use of the instrument — even if they commit their error utterly unaware that they are in error. Of course, the same logic would leads us to conclude that we aren’t forgiven of our lust unless we’ve stopped lusting entirely — and even more so, because we know that lust is a sin. Continue reading

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The Fork in the Road: Dialogue with Cougan: The Plan of Salvation, Part 1 of 4

Cougan,

I quoted from your earlier comment,

As [I] run the race of Christianity realizing that one infraction against the pattern/law of the N.T. is a sin and that it is possible for me to break one of those laws unaware, I run the race not with uncertainty, but I rest my confidence in God and His mercy for those sins I do not know I commit. While I cannot a draw a line in the sand and say that x amount of sin done out of ignorance will keep me out of heaven, I don’t worry about such things because I pray on daily basis asking God to forgive me of things I have committed willfully and for those sins I am not aware of. I also ask that if I am guilty of sin unaware that it by some means it might be made known to me so that I can remove that offense from my life. Overall, I put my trust in God, and continue to press forward to the goal of heaven and I make the necessary changes along the way.

As I stated in a later comment, I largely agree with this statement. I asked you whether this statement applies to those in the independent Christian Churches. You’ve declined to answer. Continue reading

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An Experiment in Christian Dialogue: Colossians 3:17

Angel with harpIn the first post of this series, I invited comment on 1 Corinthians 4:6, because it is, in my experience, the most frequently cited verse in support of the Regulative Principle (scriptural silences are prohibitions). Although the post received many comments, no one defended that interpretation of the passage. I’m not surprised.

You see, once you realize that hardly any of the New Testament was written at the time 1 Corinthians 4:6 was penned by Paul, “that which is written” is obviously a reference to the Old Testament — which he’d just quoted several times, routinely with the introduction: “It is written” (1 Cor 1:19; 1:31; 2:9; 3:19). Plainly, this verse does not support the Regulative Principle.

The verse that I’ve seen used nearly as often to support the Regulative Principle is Col 3:17, and it’s not as easily dismissed —

(ESV) And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

The classic argument is that “in the name of the Lord Jesus” means “by the authority of the Lord Jesus.” Continue reading

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Instrumental Music: Regarding Karate, Dance, and Roast Lamb in the Assembly

Angel with harpRobert Prater asked, in a comment,

Let me ask you a question or anyone else…..let’s suppose I wanted to bring into the worship assembly the act of rhythmic dance or karate or how about yoga? Or let’s say painting, etc. Or how about instead of brea[d] and fruit of vine, either add or subtract roasted lamb….or pop or whatever? Would these be acceptable in the assembly? Why or why not? What basis or interpretive principles would you use? Just curious…..

I responded in the comments, but thought it worthwhile to repeat (and expand) the comment as a post, as many readers don’t follow the comments. Continue reading

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The Cruciform God: Introduction and Chapter One, The Self-Emptying God, Part 2

We’re continuing our study of Michael J. Gorman’s Inhabiting the Cruciform God.

Exaltation

Gorman explains that God’s exaltation of Jesus was not a promotion but a proclamation of what was always true but is now shown to be true — that Jesus’ submission to the crucifixion proves he’s co-equal to God the Father — and so people will give homage to Jesus that is appropriate to God himself.

Jesus wasn’t earning a promotion. Rather, he was demonstrating why he is like God and so sits at God’s right hand.

Paul paraphrases Isa 45:23 to make the point that Jesus is the Suffering Servant of Isaiah and that his suffering defines him as the Sovereign Lord as well.

Phil 2:9-11, therefore, narrates God’s vindication of the story of Christ as the story of true humanity and true divinity. In this part of Paul’s master story, we see how God’s exaltation of the Son confirms the character of true divinity and calls humanity to become truly human by sharing in that divinity.

Do you see the irony? Do you want to be like God? Do you want to be like the Lord of the Universe? Then serve. Even serve your enemies. Serve even if it costs you your life. Indeed, nothing could better show yourself to be God-like. And this will make you truly human. After all, God always meant for us to be in his image. Continue reading

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More Calvinist Humor

Photo from The Sacred Sandwich. It’s not really a Calvinist joke. It’s a church joke — if you can think up a good caption.

Here’re some possibilities —

1. Bob and Harry discovered that even after they’d built a $5,000,000 auditorium, they still couldn’t get far enough away from each other.

2. But the preacher said we’d grow if we’d just build a big-enough auditorium!

3. The preacher decided that maybe that 5 a.m. service wasn’t such a good idea.

4. So …. preaching on baptism every single Sunday doesn’t draw them in like they said it would in preacher school?

5. Well, we couldn’t sing four-part harmony with just two voices, so we thought we’d try some instruments.

6. So maybe we should have talked to more than two members before introducing the instruments?

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