Real Men Don’t Do Pornography

Great post by Mike Adams on what it means to truly be a man.

The thesis of my rebuttal is really simple: It is not entirely fair and accurate to say that most adult women are carrying a lot of “baggage” or have a lot of “issues.” … It is much more accurate to say that most adult women are profoundly wounded and scarred by the things that “men” have done to them when they were not really acting like men.

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My name is Jay Guin, and I’m a retired elder. I wrote The Holy Spirit and Revolutionary Grace about 18 years ago. I’ve spoken at the Pepperdine, Lipscomb, ACU, Harding, and Tulsa lectureships and at ElderLink. My wife’s name is Denise, and I have four sons, Chris, Jonathan, Tyler, and Philip. I have two grandchildren. And I practice law.
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13 Responses to Real Men Don’t Do Pornography

  1. manupmen says:

    It is unhealthy to blame anyone's "scars" on someone else. Women who blame men for their wounds are not taking responsibility for their part in hurting themselves.

    John Bryan Stone

  2. rick geddie says:

    i agree real men don't do pornography, sort of…(or at least should be stopping) I disagree with Mike about the quote above concerning women he says is "much more accurate" and would inquire upon what basis he is making that judgment.
    I think a much, much more accurate statement is to say that all people are profoundly wounded and scarred by the things that other people do to them, as well as their own unhealthy responses to those things. I think some real men still view pornography, just like some real men still pass judgment on other real men struggling against pornography.
    I have said it before in replies to this blog, we all think that doing the wrong thing is bad, bu tfew realize that doing the right thing and being proud of it is just as bad (broken, wounded, scarred). It is only when receiving our identity from the person God, that we inherit his righteousness… not when we point out others who are misbehaving…

    Thanks for letting me share
    Grateful believer in Christ &
    Recovering addict

  3. Jay Guin says:


    Certainly there are plenty of cases where women have contributed to their own victimization, but it's not always the case, nor does it excuse the man's part of it.

    Mike Adams' point is that real men won't hurt women. I think it's a good one even if the women permit it — or encourage it.

  4. manupmen says:


    I agree real men don't hurt women. Just for your info, a man is physically battered by a woman every 38 seconds. And abuse by females is more likely to be serious to deadly.

    John Bryan Stone

  5. Nick Gill says:


    Can you share the source for your statistics with us? I do not mean to sound skeptical; rather, I'd like to see some of the data from the source.

    For example, is your second statement accurate? Is ABUSE by females more likely to be "serious to deadly," or is it female-on-male violence (counting self-defense, responses to abuse, etc) that is being measured there?

    Because it makes sense that a person of smaller body mass and strength would use more lethal force in violent encounters with people of larger body mass and strength.

    And just for balance, how many women are battered by men every second?

  6. Nick Gill says:

    My biggest concern with the Adams article is the following pair of sentences:

    "God did not give the Ten Commandments to a woman. Nor did He send his only begotten daughter to save womankind."

    I understand what he is trying to say, but the way he says it treads dangerously close to denying Gal 3:28. There's a REASON Christians are baptized, not circumcised. There's a REASON Luke specifically (but off-handedly) mentions women in Acts 5:14. And this is why the popular interpretation of 1 Cor 7 is SO DANGEROUS; sentences like this are supported with that text to teach that women only have access to God through the male in their life (father, husband, eldest son).

  7. manupmen says:


    Your skepticism is common. Please go to They have links to authoritative and respectable research.

    John Bryan Stone

  8. Nick Gill says:

    I'm NOT skeptical, John. I have some second-hand familiarity with battered men.

    To equate the two problems (male-on-female violence vs. female-on-male violence), especially on a global scale, is ludicrous, though. One simply DWARFS the other. Both should be addressed, but the far more critical one must be addressed more firmly and actively.

  9. manupmen says:


    You are simply endorsing the popular mythology. Female abuse of men is not dwarfed by its opposite.

  10. Nick Gill says:

    Respectfully, you don't seem to understand the term DWARF.

    An 8-foot tall man DWARFS a 4 ft, 6in man. Plain and simple. Shaquille O'Neal makes Verne Troyer look like, well, a dwarf.

    1.5 million (cases of male on female domestic violence in the US) dwarfs 800,000 (cases of female on male DV).

    Also, the definition of DV only includes certain types of inter-gender violence, particularly those that females seem more prone to participate in. Globally and historically speaking, men still attack women far more than vice versa. Try watching what is going on in central Africa. And watch the abortion stats from China.

    Further, I would like to see a breakdown of the stats, because the ones on seem to lump ALL female-on-male DV together, even when a woman is defending herself. For example, they say that it is a myth that most DV is initiated by men, and say that the FACT is that 20% of DV is initiated by women. Well, last time I checked, 80% men -20% women is still a landslide!

  11. manupmen says:

    70 percent of women said they had done violence on their male mate. That is a landslide.

  12. nick gill says:

    How much of that 70% was self-defense?

  13. manupmen says:

    It was initiated attacks. Self defense is never counted as abuse.

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