The Millennium, Part 3


Verses 1-3

(Rev 20:1-3 ESV) Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain.  2 And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,  3 and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.

How long is 1,000 years? Well, most time indicators in the Revelation are symbolic, and we can’t just assume that 1,000 years is literal, when so many other numbers are not. And the rest of the scriptures make no mention of a 1,000-year reign. Rather, we find the 1,000-year reign in Jewish and Zoroastrian speculations.

As summarized in the Wikipedia,

According to the Talmud, the Midrash, and the ancient Kabbalistic work, the Zohar, the ‘deadline’ by which the Messiah must appear is 6000 years from creation. A majority of Orthodox and Hasidic Jews believe that the Hebrew calendar dates back to the time of creation; the year 2010 of the Gregorian calendar corresponds to the Hebrew year 5770.

There is a kabbalistic tradition that maintains that each of the 7 days of creation in Genesis 1 correspond to seven millennia of the existence of natural creation. The tradition teaches that the seventh day of the week, the Sabbath day of rest, corresponds to the seventh millennium (Hebrew years 6000 – 7000), the age of universal ‘rest’ – the Messianic Era.

The Talmud comments:

R. Katina said, “Six thousand years the world will exist and one [thousand, the seventh], it shall be desolate (haruv), as it is written, ‘And the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day’ (Isa. 2:11)… R. Katina also taught, “Just as the seventh year is the Shmita year, so too does the world have one thousand years out of seven that are fallow (mushmat), as it is written, ‘And the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day’ (Isa. 2:11); and further it is written, ‘A psalm and song for the Shabbat day’ (Ps. 92:1) – meaning the day that is altogether Shabbat – and also it is said, ‘For a thousand years in Thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past’ (Ps.90:4) (Sanhedrin 97a).”

The Midrash comments:

“Six eons for going in and coming out, for war and peace. The seventh eon is entirely Shabbat and rest for life everlasting”.

The Zohar explains:

“The redemption of Israel will come about through the mystic force of the letter “Vav” [which has the numerical value of six], namely, in the sixth millennium…. Happy are those who will be left alive at the end of the sixth millennium to enter the Shabbat, which is the seventh millennium; for that is a day set apart for the Holy One on which to effect the union of new souls with old souls in the world (Zohar, Vayera 119a).”

Elaborating on this theme are numerous early and late Jewish scholars, including the Ramban, Isaac Abrabanel, Abraham Ibn Ezra, Rabbeinu Bachya, the Vilna Gaon, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, the Ramchal, Aryeh Kaplan, and Rebbetzin Esther Jungreis.

And so, although the scriptures were silent on a Millennialism when the Revelation was being written, there was a Jewish tradition predicting that the final age of the world would be 1,000 years. But the tradition isn’t quite the same as the 1,000 years described in Rev 20. The Jewish tradition is that the final 1,000 years will be a Sabbath age of rest.

This tradition is parallel to a similar one in Zoroastrianism —

Millennialism is also a doctrine of medieval Zoroastrianism concerning successive thousand-year periods, each of which will end in a cataclysm of heresy and destruction, until the final destruction of evil and of the spirit of evil by a triumphant king of peace at the end of the final millennial age (supposed by some to be the year 2000). “Then Saoshyant makes the creatures again pure, and the resurrection and future existence occur” (Zand-i Vohuman Yasht 3:62).

It’s easy to imagine Zoroastrianism, centered in Babylon, having an influence on Jewish end-time speculations, as Babylon was also a major center of Jewish learning during Roman times.

Therefore, it seems to me that the point of the Revelator speaking of a 1,000-year reign is to make clear that the Christian age is, in a sense, the 1,000-year concluding era that the Jews (and others) had been anticipating. This is the final age, and there’s no other age to come until Jesus returns and the world is transformed by God as described in Rev 21.

Rev 20:3 says Satan will be imprisoned “so that he might not deceive the nations any longer.” This sounds a lot like —

(Jud 1:6 ESV) 6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day–

And this is spoken of as having occurred in the past. Anthony Hoekema explains,

What is meant, then, by the binding of Satan? In Old Testament times, at least in the post-Abrahamic era, all the nations of the world except Israel were, so to speak, under Satan’s rule. At that time the people of Israel were the recipients of God’s special revelation, so that they knew God’s truth about themselves, about their sinfulness, and about the way they could obtain forgiveness and salvation. During this same time, however, the other nations of the world did not know that truth, and were therefore in ignorance and error (see Acts 17:30) — except for an occasional person, family or city which came into contact with God’s special revelation. One could say that during this time these nations were deceived by Satan, as our first parents had been deceived by Satan when they fell into sin in the Garden of Eden.

Just before his ascension, however, Christ gave his disciples his Great Commission: “Go and make disciples of all nations” (Mt. 28:19, NIV). At this point one can well imagine the disciples raising a disturbing question: How can we possibly do this if Satan continues to deceive the nations the way he has in the past? In Revelation 20:1-3 John gives a reassuring answer to this question. Paraphrased, his answer goes something like this: “During the gospel era which has now been ushered in, Satan will not be able to continue deceiving the nations the way he did in the past, for he has been bound. During this entire period, therefore, you, Christ’s disciples, will be able to preach the gospel and make disciples of all nations.”

This does not imply that Satan can do no harm whatever while he is bound. It means only what John says here: While Satan is bound he cannot deceive the nations in such a way as to keep them from learning about the truth of God. Later in the chapter we are told that when the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations of the world to gather them together to fight against and, if possible, to destroy the people of God (verses 7-9). This, however, he cannot do while he is bound. We conclude, then, that the binding of Satan during the gospel age means that, first, he cannot prevent the spread of the gospel, and second, he cannot gather all the enemies of Christ together to attack the church.

Verse 4

(Rev 20:4 ESV)  4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Who reigns with Christ — and when? Well, sometimes the scriptures speak of Christians ruling at the end of time, but sometimes the idea is that Christians rule right now.

(Eph 2:4-7 ESV) 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,  5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ–by grace you have been saved–  6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

Rom 5:17 For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.

In some sense, Christians are already in heaven, seated on the throne of Christ, reigning. Of course, there’s also an easier-to-understand sense in which we don’t yet reign. We live in the in-between times. But we do reign because we’ve been included in Christ who reigns. If we are “in Christ,” then we are in him as he sits on his throne and rule as part of him.

The doctrine of Christians reigning is taken from —

(Gen 1:26-28 ESV) 6 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”  27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.  28 And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

Have dominion is radah, the same word used for the reign of kings and of God himself. Man was created in God’s image to reign, and so restoration of man to God’s image necessarily implies a restoration to his rightful reign.

The Genesis account is echoed in the Psalms –

(Psa 8:3-9 ESV) 3 When I look at your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place,  4 what is man that you are mindful of him, and the son of man that you care for him?  5 Yet you have made him a little lower than the heavenly beings and crowned him with glory and honor.  6 You have given him dominion over the works of your hands; you have put all things under his feet,  7 all sheep and oxen, and also the beasts of the field,  8 the birds of the heavens, and the fish of the sea, whatever passes along the paths of the seas.  9 O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth!

The Psalmist sees us as already having dominion over the creation.

(Dan 7:1 ESV) 18 But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom and possess the kingdom forever, forever and ever.’

(Dan 7:21-22 ESV)  21 As I looked, this horn made war with the saints and prevailed over them,  22 until the Ancient of Days came, and judgment was given for the saints of the Most High, and the time came when the saints possessed the kingdom.

(Dan 7:1 ESV) 27 And the kingdom and the dominion and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High; their kingdom shall be an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey them.’

Daniel is not easily interpreted, but there’s clearly the idea here that the saints will possess a kingdom and that all others will serve and obey them. In those days, kings were judges — the supreme court of the land — and so giving judgment to the saints puts them in the place of kings. It’s hard not to read this as a prediction of the rule of God’s saints.

With these verses in mind, we can see how the Revelator can say that those who’ve resisted Rome reign even today. (We’ll get to why I say this is about today.) The irony implicit in the teaching is that, even though Rome is persecuting and martyring the faithful, it’s actually the faithful who rule!

About Jay F Guin

My name is Jay Guin, and I’m a retired elder. I wrote The Holy Spirit and Revolutionary Grace about 18 years ago. I’ve spoken at the Pepperdine, Lipscomb, ACU, Harding, and Tulsa lectureships and at ElderLink. My wife’s name is Denise, and I have four sons, Chris, Jonathan, Tyler, and Philip. I have two grandchildren. And I practice law.
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7 Responses to The Millennium, Part 3

  1. Laymond says:

    Jhn 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
    Jhn 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

    Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
    Jhn 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
    Jhn 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
    Jhn 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
    Jhn 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged

  2. Todd Collier says:

    The concept of the 6,000 years of creation followed by a 1,000 year period of rest was also bandied about in the first four centuries of the Church. This early premillennial viewpoint is called Chiliasm. Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Melito, Hippolytus, Commodian, Nepos and Lactantus (ranging from early 100's to mid 300's) accepted some form of this view. Though Justin made a comment that should still govern our thoughts along this line – "I admitted to you formerly, that I and many others are of this opinion, and [believe] that such will take place, as you assuredly are aware; but, on the other hand, I signified to you that many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise."

    Fun to discuss, not important enough to divide over.

    Oh, somehow the Rabbis have lost some time – The actual date is closer to 5990 or so than 5770.

  3. abasnar says:

    Satan's imprisonment is one of the weak points in Amillenialism

    Just taking this issue proves Amillenialism to be wrong. Not one of the quoted or suggested "parallels" fit, and I'll go through the list to show it to you:

    1.) Jude 1:6 is not about Satan but about the angels of Gen 6:1-2

    Rev 20:3 says Satan will be imprisoned “so that he might not deceive the nations any longer.” This sounds a lot like –

    (Jud 1:6 ESV) 6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day–

    Jude 1:6 as well as 2Pe 2:4 are references to the book of Henoch (which is quote verbatim in Jude 1:14-15 (see: Henoch I:9, that speaks of those angels who had sexual intercourse with women (see Gen 6:1-2).

    VI 1. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. 2. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.' …
    VII 1. And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. 2. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: 3. Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, 4. the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. 5. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. 6. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
    X … 4. And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azâzêl hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Dûdâêl, and cast him therein. 5. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may not see light. 6. And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire. …
    XVII …. 14. The angel said: 'This place is the end of heaven and earth: this has become a prison for the stars and the host of heaven. 15. And the stars which roll over the fire are they which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord in the beginning of their rising, because they did not come forth at their appointed times. 16. And He was wroth with them, and bound them till the time when their guilt should be consummated (even) ?for ten thousand years?.'
    XIX 1. And Uriel said to me: 'Here shall stand the angels who have connected themselves with women, and their spirits assuming many different forms are defiling mankind and shall lead them astray into sacrificing to demons ??as gods??, (here shall they stand,) till ??the day of?? the great judgement in which they shall be judged till they are made an end of.

    Jude 1:6 and 2 Pe 2:4 therefore have nothing to do with Rev 20:3 and the binding of Satan, other than Satan will be bound as they have been bound.

    2.) Satan can still deceive the Nations

    “During the gospel era which has now been ushered in, Satan will not be able to continue deceiving the nations the way he did in the past, for he has been bound. During this entire period, therefore, you, Christ’s disciples, will be able to preach the gospel and make disciples of all nations.”

    To equate the end time of ignorance in Acts 17:30 with the binding of Satan in Rev 20:3 is not convincing. Ignorance is in a way "excusable" (and Paul seems to use it as an excuse in his sermon on the Areopagus – see also this kind of excuse in Rom 5:13).

    We must be consistent also, Satan is bound once and for all Nations at the same time – he is not bound here and loose there, according to Rev 20:3, but he will be bound after this decisive battle decsribed in Rev 19:19-21. This battle has to precede the binding of Satan – when and where did it take place in history?

    So, either we say Satan was bound at the time of Christ's resurrection or ascension, or he is not bound at all so far. If we say, he was bound after the destruction of Jerusalem, I'd say I see no significant spiritual difference between the world/nations before and after 70 AD.

    What I see in the NT writings, is a very active Satan:

    Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart for you to lie to the Holy Spirit, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

    Just as Satan could fill the heart of a disciple before Christ's resurrection (Judas' heart in John 13:2), so he is able to do after pentecost.

    Act 26:18 in order to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light, and from the authority of Satan to God, so that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.

    Satan still has power in this world, and people are called out of Satan's dominion through the Gosepel. This does not fit to the idea that Satan is bound today.

    I have to close for now, I'll continue later … But maybe this allows for some questions in between.


  4. abasnar says:

    Satan is loose – continued

    Rom 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

    If Satan is not crushed under our feet, he is not bound either.

    1Co 5:5 to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

    If we can deliver persons to Saten, i.e. excommunicating and sending out to the world which is under Satan's control, Satan is clearly not bound in this Gospel Age.

    1Co 7:5 Do not deprive one another, unless it is with consent for a time, so that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer. And come together again so that Satan does not tempt you for your incontinence.

    Satan can tempt Christians in such daily things as mentioned here. He is not bound.

    2Co 2:11 so that we should not be overreached by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his devices.

    He still is an enemy of ours and we have to be cautious not to be overreached by him. He is not bound.

    2Co 11:14 Did not even Satan marvelously transform himself into an angel of light?

    Satan ist still deceiving – so he is not bound.

    2Co 12:7 and by the surpassing revelations, lest I be made haughty, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be made haughty.

    Satan still has angels (Messengers) he can send out – he is not bound.

    1Th 2:18 Therefore we desired to come to you, truly I, Paul, both once and twice; but Satan hindered us.

    Satan can hinder our ministry – he is not bound.

    2Th 2:9 whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

    Satan will be even more active in the "end times" when the man of lawlessness will be revealed – this man of Lawlessness is the same as the Beast in Revelation, and this beast will lead an army against our Christ. And it is AFTER this defeat (which is also mention in 2Th 2:8 (= Rev 19:19-21) that Satan will be bound. So it is clear from all the events of the end-times that Satan cannot be bound yet – this lies in the future, AFTER Christ's second coming which will bring the millenium.

    1Ti 5:15 For some have already turned aside after Satan.

    Christians who lose their faith, return to the world, Satan's dominion – he is not bound, but still in control over the nations.

    Rev 2:13 I know your works, and where you live, even where Satan's seat is . And you hold fast My name and have not denied My faith, even in those days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwells.

    Satan "dwells" among us – he is not bound.

    1Jn 5:19 We know that we are of God, and all the world lies in evil.

    The whole world – which is all nations – are still under Satan's control – Satan is not bound.


    There are quite a few more verses, Jay, that all speak the same language.

    How can Hoekema claim that Satan is bound, when Satan still dwells in, deceives and rules this world?

    How can you call his tremendous freedom to move and to act and to destroy "being bound"?

    Honestly, this is not working, not working at all! And alone this proves A-Millienialism to be wrong. And yet there are so many more questions:

    Who are those, killed by the Beast, that are resurrected to reign with Christ in the first resurrection?

    If you say, the reign opf Christ is the Gospel Age, it starts with Acts 2:36 – where was the beast? Where are the martyrs, Rev 20:1-3 speaks of? Eph 2:4-7 is not the answer because it ignores the reason why those in the first ressurection are called worthy to reighn with Christ: They witnessed with their blood! Paul did not yetr witness with his blood, when he wrote these verses. Rev 20:1-3 is about a BODILY resurrection of people who had been killed!

    Jay, please! Don't you see that this simply does not work? Your "verse by verse" virtually ignores the text and relies on secondary sources as Wikipedia and an a-millenialist commentary. I see nowhere an example where you yourself wrestled with the words, the details of the text. That's actually quite disappointing considering that you normally go even by the Greek text to discuss and understand a subject.


  5. abasnar says:

    Oh, somehow the Rabbis have lost some time – The actual date is closer to 5990 or so than 5770.

    Exciting times we are living, huh?

    But on the other hand, according to the genaologies of the LXX we must be past 6000 by a few hundred years.

    And yet on the other other hand, some think (quite interesting readuing) that in the middle ages due to a calendar-reform, about 300 years had to be "invented" (somwhere in 600s to th 800s) – there are hardly any historical record for this time-span (the dark ages). Of course this is highly disputed …

    And still on the other other other hand Christ said that no one can know the date and hour (therefore no one can calculate it either).

    It is – by the way – this conversation that proves a-millienialsm to be wrong, too:

    Act 1:6 So when they had come together, they asked him, "Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?"
    Act 1:7 He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority.
    Act 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."
    Act 1:9 And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight.

    The Disciples were asking about the restoration of a visible kingdom for Israel – these is part of the eschatological hope of the OT, only that Israel has a broader meaning in the New Covenant.

    The answer to this, by the Lord, is not: "You got your eschatology wrong – it is goin g to be different. This speaks of the Gospel age, which will start in just a few days when you will receive the Spirit."

    No , He said: "No one knows the time, when this will happen."

    So you cannot equate the Gospel-Age with the Millenium. The Gospel age started 10 days after the ascension. But the correctly expected "visible reign of David's Son" will be revealed in the Millenium.


  6. abasnar says:

    Reign in life

    Rom 5:17 For if by one man's offense death reigned by one, much more they who receive abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by One, Jesus Christ.)
    Rom 5:18 Therefore as by one offense sentence came on all men to condemnation, even so by the righteousness of One the free gift came to all men to justification of life.
    Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of One shall many be made righteous.
    Rom 5:20 But the Law entered so that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound,
    Rom 5:21 so that as sin has reigned to death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

    What kind of reign is it that is being described here? It is about the reign of sin and death before our conversions, and about the reign of righteousness and Christ after our conversion. This runs paralles to Rom 6:9-14.

    What is it that Christians are ruling over today – according to this text? They are ruling over their own flesh and carnal desires.

    What about the rule of the Saints in the millenium?

    Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received his mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    First: This rule is not over themselves but over others, because they are seated on thrones and the will judge (others).

    Second: This rule is a reward for the faithful ones who died as martyrs – so they did not reign in their life, but they will after their resurrection.

    This in also mentioned and clarified in other scriptures:

    Rev 2:25 But that which you have, hold fast until I come.
    Rev 2:26 And he who overcomes and keeps My works to the end, to him I will give power over the nations.
    Rev 2:27 And he will rule them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of a potter they will be broken to pieces, even as I received from My Father.
    Rev 2:28 And I will give him the Morning Star.
    Rev 2:29 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

    Here the promise is, that those who remain faithful to the end, will reign over the nations – this is a) future tense, tied to a condition and b) entirely different from Rom 5:17.

    Rev 3:21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame and have sat down with My Father in His throne.

    This is also future tense, tied to a condition – so it is not the same as Eph 2:4-7. The latter speaks of our new birth, not about our reigning with him. Our life indeed is hidden in Christ, who is above Col 3:1-4. This text in Colossians explains what is meant in Eph 2:4-7: Our life in glory will be revealed, when Christ returns and will raise our bodies incorruptilble and glorified. And then (!) we will sit on His throne and reign with him as described in Rev 3:21.

    But to be raised for glory is tied to the condition to persevere to the end, which is the same as to overcome. To reign with Christ over the nations is part of our reward.

    Rev 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying, You are worthy to take the book and to open its seals, for You were slain and have redeemed us to God by Your blood out of every kindred and tongue and people and nation.
    Rev 5:10 And You made us kings and priests to our God, and we will reign over the earth.

    Do you notive the difference between past and future tense here? Even though we are already kings and priests (see also 1Pe 2:9), our reigning with Christ lies in the future. And this means: The reign of Christ that we are talking about here lies in the future as well. The Millenium is the revelation of Christ's Kingdom on this earth.

    2Ti 2:11 For faithful is the Word, for if we died with Him, we shall also live with Him.
    2Ti 2:12a If we suffer, we shall also reign with Him.

    Also here our reigning with Christ is conditional. We have to suffer with him (martyrdom through physical death or taking up our cross daily in self-denial) – do you see the parallel to Rev 20:4? Those who suffered with and for Christ will participate in His rule over the earth and all nations.

    Is Christ ruling today over all the earth and all nations? No, this world is still in the grip of Satan (1Jo 5:15) who is anything but bound.

    So don't be misled – Paul also made it clear to the Corinthians:

    1Co 4:8 Already you are full! Already you are rich! You have reigned as kings without us! And oh that indeed you did reign, that we also might reign with you.

    He rebukes the Corithians who behave as if they had already run the race. But Paul makes it clear that today it is not the time for reigning, but for humbly following Christ in His sufferings (1Co 4:11-13).

    Having said all this, Jay, I really can't see how you can so easily adopt the a-millenialist view. You don't see the big picture, but the scriptures are filled with verses that speak of the millenial reign of Christ and us reigning with him, as I tried to show you in this comment.

    A-Millenialists steal away a great junk of our future hope, joy, reward and glory, by hiding it from our eyes. And they make the glorious reign of Christ look very incompetent and weak, when they apply it to the present Gospel Age. They make the iron chains of Satan a rubber band, that gives him as much freedom as he desires.


  7. The interpretation of Rev 20 that you present is legitimate. I find, however, that a literal interpretation, i.e., the 1,000 year reign means a 1,000-year reign, to be less of a stretch.

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