Funds for Bahamians Left Homeless by Hurricane Joaquin

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From Miami Herald

Hurricane Joaquin hit the Bahamas hard, and the Westridge Church of Christ in Nassau is raising funds for hurricane relief. Their preacher, Clyde Symonette, emailed this note to me:

Hurricane Joaquin did extensive damage in the southern islands of the Bahamas. Nassau, where I live and where the church is located is pretty much unscathed. Residents of the affected islands are displaced and are in desperate need of food, water and other supplies in the short term and accommodations in the long term. As a church we plan do all that we can to contribute to the relief and rebuilding efforts. To that end I write to request that you incorporate a link to our fund raising site on your website. The link is it has been set up by Adam and Paula Williamson. Adam and his wife Paula have been with us for about 3 years now. He works for the US Government in the Bahamas. They are members of our church.

I know Clyde personally. My congregation sends two or three short-term mission groups each year to Nassau to work with this congregation. They are good people and will manage your donations well.

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Salvation 2.0: Part 3.1C: David Bentley Hart’s Criticism of the Traditional View

grace5Reader and frequent commenter Nathan wrote,

You seem to hold to this position with more dogmatic certainty than I’ve seen with other issues you’ve addressed on this site. Moreover, you’ve resorted to a flippancy that I find troubling (e.g., “roasting middle schoolers over a spit”). It’s as if the majority of Christians in the history of the church are not only uncharitable, but stupid.


First, if I’ve implied anyone is stupid, I apologize. That is not how I feel. I held to the traditional view for most of my life. I was not stupid. Just mistaken. But as I get older, as more friends and family die, and as my own health worsens, the topic of the afterlife becomes much less abstract and much more vital. I confess that I hold my views with intensity. I do. I’ve been through these questions many times before, and every time I take the topic on, I become more thoroughly convinced.

In addition, I’ve been working on a series responding to David Bentley Hart’s criticism of the traditional view of hell. And as the posts indicate, I’ve also been working through the “eternal fire” passages. And we need to confront these arguments and passages head on. No hiding our eyes. We owe it to ourselves to be brutally honest in assessing the evidence
— and Hart rubs our noses in it. Continue reading

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Salvation 2.0: Part 3.7: Justice

grace5Imagine a 12-year old girl raised in a Christian household. She has, we will assume, reached the “age of accountability.” It happened just today. And imagine that she is not yet a Christian. And she commits a single, solitary sin.

Now imagine that in a sad, tragic accident, she is killed. You are asked to preach her funeral. What do you say?

Do you pretend she was saved even though she’d never confessed Jesus, and in fact had not at all decided to follow him? She was more worried about school work, her friends, and boys. She just hadn’t made up her mind. Continue reading

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Salvation 2.0: Part 3.6: Separation from God

grace5Now, many a theologian has argued that hell is separation from God, and I think that’s part of the punishment. Maybe all. Speaking of the damned, Paul writes,

(2Th 1:9-10 ESV)  9 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,  10 when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed.

We were born and have lived our days in God’s presence, even if we haven’t always been believers. God is present within his Creation, and surely his presence is part of the joy of life. Continue reading

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Headed to Aggie-Land

texasA&MI leave tomorrow for a brief trip to College Station, Texas located near … well … it’s in Texas somewhere. My third son, Tyler, will defend his doctoral work and should end the day with a Ph.D. in chemical engineering.

The practice there is for parents and friends to show up to watch the proceeding as professors grill the potential graduate before friends and family with intimidating questions — which has to be more entertaining than watching a graduation ceremony.

So I’m grateful for the opportunity to hear professors talk about enthalpy and such like. (I have no idea what it means either. But chem E people talk about it like it matters. I majored in math and stopped being able to understand Tyler’s discussion of his field about his junior year in college. I just respond with something like, “De miminis non curat lex.” We lawyers can talk in foreign languages, too.)

College Station is always a good trip — although I do have to question why such a ceremony is not on scheduled to match the Alabama vs. A&M game. That would have been nice.

I’ll be back Wednesday. Late. Might or might not comment while gone. But posts will continue per usual.

Oh, and “Roll Tide!!”

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Salvation 2.0: Part 3.5: Gehenna

grace5Jesus and James refer to the fate of the damned as gehenna, usually translated “hell.”

The word is entirely absent from Paul and the other NT writers, who prefer to speak in terms of the damned being destroyed. There is no word for “hell” in the Pauline epistles.

(Interesting, no? How could Paul write half the NT and say nothing about hell, when Jesus said so much? Maybe because we’re misunderstanding Jesus.)

The name means “Valley of Hinnom” or its full form “Valley of the son of Hinnom” … .

The valley was the scene of the idolatrous worship of the Canaanite gods Molech and Baal. This worship consisted of sacrificing children by passing them through a fire on Topheth (a high place) and into the hands of the gods (Jer 7:31; 19:4–5; 32:35). These practices were observed during monarchy at least under the reigns of Ahaz and Manasseh who themselves sacrificed their own children (2 Kgs 16:3; 21:6; 2 Chr 28:3; 33:6). Continue reading

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Salvation 2.0: Part 3.1B: Everlasting, eternal, unquenchable fire

grace5Monty asked about the meaning of “everlasting fire” in the comments. My answer was pretty long and I thought worth posting as a post — because it’s a good question that deserves a thorough answer.


Unquenchable fire

“Everlasting fire” in the NT is generally “unquenchable fire” which, in the NT, is always a reference to Isa 66 — Continue reading

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Salvation 2.0: Part 3.4: The Second Death

grace5The Revelation speaks of the damned suffering a “second death.”

(Rev 2:11 ESV) 11 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who conquers will not be hurt by the second death.

(Rev 20:6 ESV)  6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.

(Rev 20:14-15 ESV)  14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.  15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. 

(Rev 21:7-8 ESV)  7 “The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son.  8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

The “second death” is death suffered by the damned in the afterlife. They are burned in the lake of fire and sulfur, but nothing says they’ll live forever in torment. Rather, they die a horrible, painful death.

I mean, how does “death” (thanatos) come to mean “not die”? No, the damned die in eternity, but they suffer in their dying in proportion to their sinfulness — with God’s perfect justice. Continue reading

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Salvation 2.0: Part 3.3: Plato and Phaedo

grace5Edward Fudge points out that the question of immortality was a favorite of Greek philosophers. The seminal work on the subject was Plato’s Phaedo, a dialogue on the question that was well-known among First Century Hellenistic people.

Plato presents a debate between Socrates, who argues for innate immortality of the soul, and Cebes, who argues that —

when the [soul] has departed from the body, [it] nowhere any longer exists, but on whatever day a man dies, on that day it is destroyed [diaphtheiretai] and perishes [apolluetai]; the moment it departs and goes forth from the body it is dispersed like breath or smoke, and flies abroad and is gone, and no longer exists anywhere.

Apolluetai is a form of apollumi, the word the New Testament so frequently uses for “destroy” or “kill,” used frequently of the fate of the damned, in nearly all the verses quoted above in which the damned are said to be destroyed. Continue reading

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Salvation 2.0: Part 3.1A: The Early Church Fathers on Conditionalism

grace5Just came across this very thorough study of the writings of the Early Church Fathers relating to Conditionalism and Perpetual Conscious Torment: The Doctrine of Immortality in the Early Church, by Dr. John H. Roller (free download).

Roller goes through all the uninspired writings of the early church fathers to determine who was and wasn’t a Conditionalist or a believer that even the damned have immortal souls.

The Apostolic Fathers are the early church fathers early enough to have known the apostles (whether or not they actually met an apostle). Regarding their preserved writings, Roller concludes, Continue reading

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